Comments for About Islam | Ramadan | www.30-days.net http://www.30-days.net/reveal What Christians should know about Islamic background, history and culture. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:47:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 Comment on About Ramadan by Kak http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2808 Kak Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:56:24 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2808 My dear friend Eos, What kind of a Christian am I? I am the kind that loves God, who has been so ridiculously kind to me that he would even die for me… even though He is perfect and deserves all of our admiration. I am the kind who follows Jesus because, yes, He did claim to be God and He proved Himself over and over! I am the kind of Christian that loves to read the scriptures (the Bible) because it is inspired by God and it speaks to me… I do not know how else to explain the truth I find while reading the Bible. I want to be able to say with the apostle Paul, “I just want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection.” I want to know God and worship Him, and how He has revealed Himself to us. Not because I am great, but because “He demonstrates His own love toward us in this; that while we were still sinners, Christ died for the ungodly.” I believe that if you look back to my other posts, I actually did explain more about exactly how Jesus did all but say the words in the sequence of “I am God.” So I do not feel the need to kill the dead animal again, you just need to understand what I was telling you (and what Jesus was saying) all along. You are an artist? So am I, but we are not like God in all respects. I don’t know about you, but I am not sovereign, nor am I always loving, or always merciful or perfect… God is perfect. He has a plan in all things. Although there is a sense of His allowance of different things that seem disastrous at the time, but in the end those same “disasters” that He allowed end up showing God’s glorious power and greatness! As I said, I don’t know how these things exactly work, but we were made in God’s image, it is a sad day when we start trying to make Him in our image as a finite being who “must have messed up” if we humans can’t understand something. In fact, my lack of understanding of how God, being perfect, could allow Adam and Eve to sin that first time causes me to be so much more amazed by Him. Or how He then would come and save us from that state that He allowed us to fall to. What Jesus did at the cross was a super amazing demonstration of God’s mercy and His desire to be in relation to His creation, fallen as we are. Again, I can’t explain these things beyond what I am saying now because my brain is like a small bottle in the ocean that can only be filled with as much as I can hold, but I am tiny. And no, nothing troubles me except the souls of those who cry out against God, the One who created the earth, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.” (John 1:1-5). The one who brought the Israelites out of the land of Egypt, “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully new it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (James v. 5). That same God that I have just explained was also the one who came to earth to show His love, “Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, ‘Ask a sign of the LORD your God; let it be deep as Sheol or high as heaven.’ But Ahaz said, ‘I will not ask, and I will not put the Lord to the test.’ And he said, ‘Hear then, O house of David! Is it too little for you to weary men, that you weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (which means God with us). He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kinds you dread will be deserted. The LORD will bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father’s house such days as have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah-the king of Assyria.” (Isaiah 7:10-17, the rest in-between is important too) and again, “For unto us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this” (Isaiah 9:6 and 7). What an amazing, unexplainable God He is! There is none like Him and no one to completely understand His ways, but what I do know is that Jesus is one and the same, nothing else could even begin to explain why talked like He did, why He walked on water, why He was perfect, how He could have so much love, and why I can pray to Him and He answers me still today. Oh, and not forgetting that He did indeed claim to be God. I will leave you with some more kind of philosophical questions since you do not begin with the assumption that the Bible is God’s word… What if you are wrong about your idea about how God views humans? What if you are missing the mark and at the end you realize that God really did send Jesus, a part of Himself, so that your sin could be like you did not sin and so that God could then accept you. What if you realize after you die that God’s mercy was actually found in Christ’s death and resurrection, that anyone who believes in Him (Jesus as their savior) are the ones who will “not perish, but have everlasting life?” (John 3:16) My dear friend Eos,
What kind of a Christian am I? I am the kind that loves God, who has been so ridiculously kind to me that he would even die for me… even though He is perfect and deserves all of our admiration. I am the kind who follows Jesus because, yes, He did claim to be God and He proved Himself over and over! I am the kind of Christian that loves to read the scriptures (the Bible) because it is inspired by God and it speaks to me… I do not know how else to explain the truth I find while reading the Bible. I want to be able to say with the apostle Paul, “I just want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection.”
I want to know God and worship Him, and how He has revealed Himself to us. Not because I am great, but because “He demonstrates His own love toward us in this; that while we were still sinners, Christ died for the ungodly.” I believe that if you look back to my other posts, I actually did explain more about exactly how Jesus did all but say the words in the sequence of “I am God.” So I do not feel the need to kill the dead animal again, you just need to understand what I was telling you (and what Jesus was saying) all along.
You are an artist? So am I, but we are not like God in all respects. I don’t know about you, but I am not sovereign, nor am I always loving, or always merciful or perfect… God is perfect. He has a plan in all things. Although there is a sense of His allowance of different things that seem disastrous at the time, but in the end those same “disasters” that He allowed end up showing God’s glorious power and greatness! As I said, I don’t know how these things exactly work, but we were made in God’s image, it is a sad day when we start trying to make Him in our image as a finite being who “must have messed up” if we humans can’t understand something.
In fact, my lack of understanding of how God, being perfect, could allow Adam and Eve to sin that first time causes me to be so much more amazed by Him. Or how He then would come and save us from that state that He allowed us to fall to.
What Jesus did at the cross was a super amazing demonstration of God’s mercy and His desire to be in relation to His creation, fallen as we are. Again, I can’t explain these things beyond what I am saying now because my brain is like a small bottle in the ocean that can only be filled with as much as I can hold, but I am tiny.
And no, nothing troubles me except the souls of those who cry out against God, the One who created the earth, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.” (John 1:1-5). The one who brought the Israelites out of the land of Egypt, “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully new it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (James v. 5). That same God that I have just explained was also the one who came to earth to show His love, “Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, ‘Ask a sign of the LORD your God; let it be deep as Sheol or high as heaven.’ But Ahaz said, ‘I will not ask, and I will not put the Lord to the test.’ And he said, ‘Hear then, O house of David! Is it too little for you to weary men, that you weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (which means God with us). He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kinds you dread will be deserted. The LORD will bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father’s house such days as have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah-the king of Assyria.” (Isaiah 7:10-17, the rest in-between is important too) and again, “For unto us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this” (Isaiah 9:6 and 7).
What an amazing, unexplainable God He is! There is none like Him and no one to completely understand His ways, but what I do know is that Jesus is one and the same, nothing else could even begin to explain why talked like He did, why He walked on water, why He was perfect, how He could have so much love, and why I can pray to Him and He answers me still today. Oh, and not forgetting that He did indeed claim to be God.
I will leave you with some more kind of philosophical questions since you do not begin with the assumption that the Bible is God’s word…
What if you are wrong about your idea about how God views humans? What if you are missing the mark and at the end you realize that God really did send Jesus, a part of Himself, so that your sin could be like you did not sin and so that God could then accept you. What if you realize after you die that God’s mercy was actually found in Christ’s death and resurrection, that anyone who believes in Him (Jesus as their savior) are the ones who will “not perish, but have everlasting life?” (John 3:16)

]]> Comment on About Ramadan by eos http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2805 eos Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:54:56 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2805 What do we deserve for our sin, like what is the payment that we deserve? Or, to word it differently, if sinning is kind of like our job here on earth… and God is perfect and wonderful, then what do we deserve for our sin? or do you mean that we dont deserve heaven or to see God because we sin??? Oh dear Kak i dont know if you have any hobbies or what it is you do as your career but one of mine is drawing. i love to draw, sketch, paint everything. I would never create anything unless i thought it to be beautiful, and if i mess up along the way i erase and start over. mistakes are natural. Davinci, picasso, einstein all have been the little bits of light shining through, they found their niche and developed it further, worked for it harder, trying to perfect it. there is a reason we are here. God wouldnt have created us if he didnt think we were perfect, though it may sound dumb to say maybe we are perfect --in Gods eyes. He cant make mistakes, He would never create something that He thought did not deserve to be.....and did not deserve to be forgiven....i think something troubles you??? What do we deserve for our sin, like what is the payment that we deserve? Or, to word it differently, if sinning is kind of like our job here on earth… and God is perfect and wonderful, then what do we deserve for our sin?

or do you mean that we dont deserve heaven or to see God because we sin???
Oh dear Kak i dont know if you have any hobbies or what it is you do as your career but one of mine is drawing. i love to draw, sketch, paint everything. I would never create anything unless i thought it to be beautiful, and if i mess up along the way i erase and start over. mistakes are natural. Davinci, picasso, einstein all have been the little bits of light shining through, they found their niche and developed it further, worked for it harder, trying to perfect it. there is a reason we are here. God wouldnt have created us if he didnt think we were perfect, though it may sound dumb to say maybe we are perfect –in Gods eyes. He cant make mistakes, He would never create something that He thought did not deserve to be…..and did not deserve to be forgiven….i think something troubles you???

]]> Comment on About Ramadan by eos http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2798 eos Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:17:40 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2798 oh kak... i dont know were to start. what IS your religion .. christainity, but what offshoot?? -- we should also both agree that although it is NOT impossible, it sounds stupid for God to become like man so that He could die and then “break the chains of death and Hell” so that the sin of any who would believe that Jesus is the Christ could live with Him forever without suffering Hell (the punishment that all sinful beings deserve).-- i understand God's love for us but i do NOT believe that 1- God came to earth or 2-Jesus was the son of God. God SHOULD NOT have to sacrifice himself for us. Jesus was a prophet hust like Muhhammed and Abraham and all the others. Jesus sacrificed himself FOR God, for HIS own love of God and love for his people. Jesus modeled himself after God and what he thought that the rest of the people should be, and to prove to people that God does exist he went so far, that in the end he was crucified. In turn God may or may not have ressurected him. didnt it say that he went up to heaven to be with his "Father"....isnt God the "father" of us all. He created everyone and everything so maybe it ment that Jesus went to heaven to be with his creator ..and wasnt exactly ressurected in flesh and blood...im not sure if you understand but i dont want to get too in depth because i myself dont understand.. What do we deserve for our sin, like what is the payment that we deserve? Or, to word it differently, if sinning is kind of like our job here on earth… and God is perfect and wonderful, then what do we deserve for our sin? Surely we cannot just have the occupation of sin here on earth and then when we get to heaven be ok when we see this completely merciful, wrathful (against people who oppose Him), powerful, just, right, holy God. in the Quran it says that we are punished for our sins and rewarded for our good deeds. not everyone will STAY in hell forever. some people stay in The Heights until they see that they almost slipped up and went to hell. sinning isnt our job here on earth our job is...well our job is to ....do good??? ...to surrrender ourselves to Allah ..and the way of Allah, to be Muslim. Surely Jesus wouldnt only count your sins, but also your good deeds, doesnt light ALWAYS prevail over darkness?? im not trying to say you're wrong, i just want to compare our religions, in the end its all the same...isnt it??? even if we did believe in the "wrong" religion wouldnt God reward us for being good? oh and something completely random popped into my head what if you died and went to heaven, and in heaven you met God, what if..what if he sneezed??? what would you say?? God bless you? oh kak… i dont know were to start. what IS your religion .. christainity, but what offshoot??
– we should also both agree that although it is NOT impossible, it sounds stupid for God to become like man so that He could die and then “break the chains of death and Hell” so that the sin of any who would believe that Jesus is the Christ could live with Him forever without suffering Hell (the punishment that all sinful beings deserve).–

i understand God’s love for us but i do NOT believe that 1- God came to earth or 2-Jesus was the son of God. God SHOULD NOT have to sacrifice himself for us. Jesus was a prophet hust like Muhhammed and Abraham and all the others. Jesus sacrificed himself FOR God, for HIS own love of God and love for his people. Jesus modeled himself after God and what he thought that the rest of the people should be, and to prove to people that God does exist he went so far, that in the end he was crucified. In turn God may or may not have ressurected him. didnt it say that he went up to heaven to be with his “Father”….isnt God the “father” of us all. He created everyone and everything so maybe it ment that Jesus went to heaven to be with his creator ..and wasnt exactly ressurected in flesh and blood…im not sure if you understand but i dont want to get too in depth because i myself dont understand..

What do we deserve for our sin, like what is the payment that we deserve? Or, to word it differently, if sinning is kind of like our job here on earth… and God is perfect and wonderful, then what do we deserve for our sin? Surely we cannot just have the occupation of sin here on earth and then when we get to heaven be ok when we see this completely merciful, wrathful (against people who oppose Him), powerful, just, right, holy God.

in the Quran it says that we are punished for our sins and rewarded for our good deeds. not everyone will STAY in hell forever. some people stay in The Heights until they see that they almost slipped up and went to hell. sinning isnt our job here on earth our job is…well our job is to ….do good??? …to surrrender ourselves to Allah ..and the way of Allah, to be Muslim. Surely Jesus wouldnt only count your sins, but also your good deeds, doesnt light ALWAYS prevail over darkness?? im not trying to say you’re wrong, i just want to compare our religions, in the end its all the same…isnt it??? even if we did believe in the “wrong” religion wouldnt God reward us for being good?

oh and something completely random popped into my head
what if you died and went to heaven, and in heaven you met God, what if..what if he sneezed??? what would you say?? God bless you?

]]> Comment on About Ramadan by Kak http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2797 Kak Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:57:57 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2797 Oh, yes! I almost forgot about that! I wanted to hear what you had to say, but since you were unsure I will just say that God is God. No sin can be found in Him because He is perfect. There is no one like Him and all that He does is right even when we cannot understand why He does some of the things that He does. Do you agree? So, I would assert that God, being unable to sin, holy, amazing, beautiful, powerful, just, full of love…can and does love Himself and we should praise Him for that. You know, most of the Bible is focused on praising God and Psalm 150 is a wonderful example of praise. If He did not love Himself a lot, why would he want us to praise Him? That must be what makes it so hard to believe that God, being so amazing, could come to earth, still being God but in the form of a man (Philippians 2:6-11). Because I think that we would also both agree that we are below God, we should also both agree that although it is NOT impossible, it sounds stupid for God to become like man so that He could die and then “break the chains of death and Hell” so that the sin of any who would believe that Jesus is the Christ could live with Him forever without suffering Hell (the punishment that all sinful beings deserve). Sounds crazy, but that’s what God’s love for us is, crazy. He, being holy and perfect and sinless, came to the earth (and was still holy and perfect and sinless) and died in the place of those who He has had mercy on because they believed in his Son. Yes, it’s hard to “swallow” at times because it actually sounds too good to be true, but the life of Jesus screams to the people who see it that He is God and He did love the world (way more than just human love) and He died and rose again! Now, before I really move on any further and get into exactly why He (Jesus, the Messiah) is indeed God, I must ask you another question: What do we deserve for our sin, like what is the payment that we deserve? Or, to word it differently, if sinning is kind of like our job here on earth… and God is perfect and wonderful, then what do we deserve for our sin? Surely we cannot just have the occupation of sin here on earth and then when we get to heaven be ok when we see this completely merciful, wrathful (against people who oppose Him), powerful, just, right, holy God. Oh, yes! I almost forgot about that! I wanted to hear what you had to say, but since you were unsure I will just say that God is God. No sin can be found in Him because He is perfect. There is no one like Him and all that He does is right even when we cannot understand why He does some of the things that He does. Do you agree? So, I would assert that God, being unable to sin, holy, amazing, beautiful, powerful, just, full of love…can and does love Himself and we should praise Him for that. You know, most of the Bible is focused on praising God and Psalm 150 is a wonderful example of praise. If He did not love Himself a lot, why would he want us to praise Him?
That must be what makes it so hard to believe that God, being so amazing, could come to earth, still being God but in the form of a man (Philippians 2:6-11). Because I think that we would also both agree that we are below God, we should also both agree that although it is NOT impossible, it sounds stupid for God to become like man so that He could die and then “break the chains of death and Hell” so that the sin of any who would believe that Jesus is the Christ could live with Him forever without suffering Hell (the punishment that all sinful beings deserve).
Sounds crazy, but that’s what God’s love for us is, crazy. He, being holy and perfect and sinless, came to the earth (and was still holy and perfect and sinless) and died in the place of those who He has had mercy on because they believed in his Son. Yes, it’s hard to “swallow” at times because it actually sounds too good to be true, but the life of Jesus screams to the people who see it that He is God and He did love the world (way more than just human love) and He died and rose again!
Now, before I really move on any further and get into exactly why He (Jesus, the Messiah) is indeed God, I must ask you another question: What do we deserve for our sin, like what is the payment that we deserve? Or, to word it differently, if sinning is kind of like our job here on earth… and God is perfect and wonderful, then what do we deserve for our sin? Surely we cannot just have the occupation of sin here on earth and then when we get to heaven be ok when we see this completely merciful, wrathful (against people who oppose Him), powerful, just, right, holy God.

]]> Comment on About Ramadan by eos http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2793 eos Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:00:20 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2793 Now, I desire to talk about how when the scriptures talk about Jesus being the “Son of God” and why it does not just say that Jesus is indeed God if that is true, but I would first like to ask you these questions: Is God holy enough that He can Love Himself above all things and still not be sinning because He is God? I hope we agree on this one. we never finished this conversation :) i got bored..so i was re-reading it Now, I desire to talk about how when the scriptures talk about Jesus being the “Son of God” and why it does not just say that Jesus is indeed God if that is true, but I would first like to ask you these questions:

Is God holy enough that He can Love Himself above all things and still not be sinning because He is God?

I hope we agree on this one.

we never finished this conversation :) i got bored..so i was re-reading it

]]> Comment on About Ramadan by Eos http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2782 Eos Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:18:28 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2782 KAK!!! no i still believe in Allah :) I've also been praying for you...not to change- i completely respect your beliefs..ivee been hoping they lead you to good wichever we believe is God, He will ALWAYS love us for our good deeds... and that day i put the message on Nov 11th was when i suddenly thought of you..i was feeling a bit down when i remembered something you said..cant recall what though... KAK!!!
no i still believe in Allah :) I’ve also been praying for you…not to change- i completely respect your beliefs..ivee been hoping they lead you to good wichever we believe is God, He will ALWAYS love us for our good deeds… and that day i put the message on Nov 11th was when i suddenly thought of you..i was feeling a bit down when i remembered something you said..cant recall what though…

]]> Comment on About Ramadan by Kak http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2779 Kak Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:12:24 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2779 Eos, my friend! Forgive me, I have been busy. Have you met Christ? :) I hope things are going well! I have been praying for you when I remember! And I miss the discussions too they helped me think. .. oh, and to answer your other question, I have not checked back here for awhile, until now. Eos, my friend!
Forgive me, I have been busy. Have you met Christ? :) I hope things are going well! I have been praying for you when I remember!

And I miss the discussions too they helped me think. .. oh, and to answer your other question, I have not checked back here for awhile, until now.

]]> Comment on About Ramadan by eos http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2774 eos Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:26:33 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/ramadan/#comment-2774 hey kak im not sure if u ever check back here anymore but just wanted to say heyy--miss out litle discussions..haha ; ) hey kak im not sure if u ever check back here anymore but just wanted to say heyy–miss out litle discussions..haha ; )

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]]> Comment on Testimonies from Europe by muslim baby names http://www.30-days.net/reveal/testimonies-from-europe/#comment-2767 muslim baby names Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:08:25 +0000 http://www.30-days.net/reveal/?p=168#comment-2767 the need of the hour is that muslim should not make sects and be united the need of the hour is that muslim should not make sects and be united

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