Ford, Muslims and mosques in Dearborn, Michigan
Dearborn is the hometown of Henry Ford and the world headquarters of the Ford Motor Company. Many years ago Muslim immigrants to the United States (US) were drawn to the relatively high-paying jobs associated with the auto industry in the area.
Dearborn, Michigan now has the largest single concentration of Arab Muslims in North America. There are 32,000 Arab Muslims from Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq living in East Dearborn, making up almost 1/3 of the population. In some districts it is common to see store signs and billboards written in Arabic.
Shi’a Mosque
The Islamic Centre of America in Dearborn, a Shi’a mosque frequented mostly by Lebanese Muslims, is the largest mosque in the US. The Centre’s attractive website has several good photos: http://www.icofa.com/.
Mosques and Islamic Centres play an important role in the life of American Muslims. They are places of refuge and of rest; places where a Muslim can experience the Islamic community and learn about Islam. Many Muslims feel safer and more relaxed within the centres which are somewhat isolated from outside influences. Dearborn is one of the few places in the US where one can actually hear the call to prayer publicly over a loudspeaker.
Making Christ Known
There have been a number of efforts to make Christ better known to Muslims in Dearborn. However, many believers say that in general, it can sometimes be even harder to discuss believing in Jesus with Muslims in Dearborn than elsewhere. Muslims in Michigan have a fortress mentality manifested in community pressure to conform to Muslim ideals.
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Prayer starters:
* Pray that the Muslims in Dearborn will respond to the Gospel message they have heard (Acts 28:26-28).
* Pray for the Arabic speaking Muslim background believers who live in the area. May they have God’s grace in the Yemeni, Iraqi and Lebanese neighborhoods to start new communities of believers.
* Pray for the new adult male believers in the Messiah to openly profess their faith in the context of their families, as well as in the larger Muslim communities. Their influence and authority in the home and society will pave the way for the Gospel to be heard and obeyed by others.
From Thief to Giver
Ali (not his real name) was a man with a very hard heart. In the past he would ride trains and befriend people. When they fell asleep, he would steal their belongings, jump off the train and sell the things. He tried Islam but it did not change him. When his sister-in-law became a Christian he persecuted her. Later, however, he acknowledged Jesus as Lord and he is now one of the main leaders of the church! The transformation in his life has been nothing less than incredible! He is one of the most humble and loving men we know. This is especially seen in how he cares for his wife and daughters!
Thoughts that disturb …
* Muslims often believe that the Bible has been altered and corrupted. They will deny its authority because they see it as not being authentic.
* Muslims believe the Holy Trinity implies a belief in three gods. Many Muslims believe that the Christian Trinity is made up of the Father, Mary (the virgin) and the Son (Jesus).
* They believe it is blasphemy to affirm the divinity of Jesus and to give Him the title “Son of God”. Many believe this implies that God had sexual relations with Mary and that a son was born physically through the union. (This idea is also unacceptable for Christians.)
Video: Muslims in Dearborn
Dearborn, Arab Capital of America, history and info about Islamic Center in Dearborn [3:26]
@ Barbara, Islam never declared war on America.
check your history
what do you call 9, 11, 2001? What do you call the iranian president’s statement, “get ready for a world minus the U.S.?” What do you call bin Laden’s bost, “We shall see the end of America as America, God willing. What about other attacks and statements by Muslim leaders?
@kkkk
you asked” what do you call 9/11..?” well kkkk, when buildings collapses in 9 and 11 seconds like the towers did..i call it controlled demolition..what do you call it..?think about this very hard….
About the Iranian president words…well, seems to me that the way usa is handling things,
its only a matter of time before usa will annihilate herself from the map, like
usa is doing with other countries such Iraq, Afghanistan,ect..ect..and it looks like bin laden thinks so as well..for that matter most americans think that..
or do you think that america is immune to its own wrath? i live here..i see what is going on…
dont you..?
Do check the history of the united states and invasions/occupations of other countries..
who invaded Iran in the early 60..how about Afghanistan..then we have Iraq…
I see that you lack knowledge in this departament…
If only people would do their home work before they speak….
the history is available for all to read…
you do have a computer..use it.
May Allah guide us all to Islam..Ameen..
Ameen ya Rabb! Excellent response, may Allah SWT reward you!
@caswa and khalisa, i must ask What are you doing here then, if these are your beliefs?? Why don’t you go back to your native land if you think the US is so corrupt?? I would think you would want to live amongst your own people. The US likely allowed you to live here because you were seeking asylum from the terrors of your own nations, but that’s not what you really are doing, is it? You are free to your Muslim beliefs, but go practice them in someone else’s nation!
I used to competely believe that the Muslims that came to America were doing so to escape to a land where they were free to live safe from fear and oppression, but I no longer believe in your right to come here!!
@Renee.. First of all, I was born here in America. My family has been here since the time of the Leni-Lenape Indians. I believe I have more of a ‘right’ to be here than most of you. I reverted to Islam as an adult. I wear hijab because it gives me the freedom to have privacy. I’m not one of the oppressed women who are forced to walk around naked, forced to use their breasts and body to get a man’s attention. Oppressed? please, take a look at yourself. Anorexia, Bulemia. And this is America.. Freedom of Religion. Not Freedom to do whatever it is that everyone else agrees with. You really need to learn about Islam. And in this story it says… “However, many believers say that in general, it can sometimes be even harder to discuss believing in Jesus with Muslims in Dearborn than elsewhere. ” Umm… We do believe in Jesus, We love Jesus…. This just shows how quick people are to make decisions about something they know nothing about.
@ Tiffany
Allah does not mean God is arabic
Allah is the Name of God,and it is as unique as Allah is.
The name Allah is really not a male name, and cannot be a female name,nor can It be plural.
The name Allah is just as unique as Allah is…there is none like Him
never will be….
@ Tim
Perhaps you do not know that when we will meet Our Creator we will be held
accountable for the words we speak.
And if your words caused someone to reject Islam….
your punishment will be so severe that you will wish you would be dust….
and it does not matter if you believe in Islam or not.
However, that punishment may be nothing compared to the punishment for calling Allah
what you have called Him..
A wise person would read about the description of Hell and the description of Heaven
before is to late….
You know Tim, Allah/God has given us everything we need to know about this life,
and the hearafter.. as there is no coming back after death…
one should not make that decision without knowing what the “accomodations” are in Hell
If you wish to read about Hell and its dwellings, its foods and drinks for its habitants,
feel free to ask i will give you a link..
May you be guided…
Wrong! Jesus is Lord and King!
Muslims will not be getting any virgins when they’re shuffled off to hell.
Furthermore, if Jihad comes to America again, all Muslims are going to regret it.
@ Wayne
IF…..you would read your Bible and make an effort to understand what it is you are reading..
you would know that Jesus never claim divinity..
He never said” i am God worship me”
He never said” i am the son of Allah/God”
But He said” the Father is greated than I”
He said” follow Me, but worship the Father”…
meaning..> follow my teachings, but worship the Father”
when he said “trough Me you will find the Kingdom of Heaven”
He meant that only by doing as He did, by observing the Commands of God
and by observing the message He came with we will go to Heaven…
tell me Wayne…what was Jesus Message…?
His message was simple. Love the Lord your God (Johvah, Yahweh, I Am. not Allah) with all your ht soul and mind, and love your neighbor like you love yourself. Matthew 22: 36-39.
The Lord Jesus Christ did indeed say I and my Father are one. So he was indeed saying he was God manifest in the flesh. And also said except ye believe that I am he ye shall die in your sins. He also said in John 14:3 , I am the way , the truth , and the life ; no man cometh unto the Father but by me. So in order to get to God the Father we must come by way of the Son or we will never have God’s gift of eternal life. But if we come to the Lord Jesus as a sinner before God and change our mind and agree with God about our sins and turn to having faith only in the Lord Jesus Christ and that he payed the full price for all our sins on the cross and by his sinless atoning blood which can forgive our sins before God. Since there is none righteous ; no not one and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Only the Lord Jesus lived a sinless life. And then died for all our sins at the cross of Calvary 2000 years ago , was buried , and rose from the dead the third day. He was seen of men , and went back up to heaven. Read more in the Holy Bible about it in John and Romans since God has promised to preserve his word to every generation . Psalm 12:6-7. http://www.HolyBible.com and read it for yourself. And find a good Independent Baptist Church to go to where the Bible is taught and preached and lived. Sincerely ;
@ tiffany
Allah guide some on the Straight Path, He does not make you a Muslim…
you have to do that yourself, that means that you still have free will to chose which way you want to go.
Manners in Islam are very important, and calling others names like cowards,is not part of Islam…
regardless if they are Christian or jews or…..
A Muslim/Muslimah speak with others with kindness and respect and not with arrogance and rudness…>>Soo to sum it up……Get yourselves right!!!!!!<< no one will want to listen to any muslim if he/she speak in such manner..
Yes, I’m with you….we need to be praying for the true light of Jesus to shine in Dearborn. May God help us to be ready and willing messengers of the Gospel! ~ Peter
@ kkkk and peter…
do you guys read your Bible….?
its right there what Jesus said..black on white…
you guys really, really need to read what He said…
What was the reason for the “Creation” of Jesus..?
any of you know..?
Dear Tiffany:
I am a Christian. I believe in Eisa [Jesus] as the Savior ans Son of God. It is not ture that no Muslim can convert to Christianity. Some Muslims do chose Christianity. For example, you may knwo that many Kabyle-Berber Muslms in Kabylia, Algeria are converting to Christianity. Or that many Iranian Muslims, unhappy with the Iran government, are converting to Christianity. According to ex-Muslim webste Islam Watch, growng numbers of Muslims in other countries are also ocnverting to Christianity.
An even bigger number of Christians are converting to Islam. What’s your point? I agree with Tiffany that no one with true knowledge and understanding of Allah SWT as He is described in the Qur’an could ever renounce Him by worshipping another (Jesus) alongside Him, as a manifestation of Him or as a intermediary to Him.
I lived with a muslim in prison that looked like bin laden or could of passed as his twin brother! He was disrespectful ! I met many bad people in prison during the yrs I did! Glad I am free to enjoy life! I been hurt by many people and don’t trust many strangers! I grew up hearing about christ but remember jim jones…feel uncomfortable about churches and preachers of different beliefs for I feel they try to brain wash the audience! i just try to live right and stay out of trouble for death row isn’t a joke! many went to hell if u ask me like the mass murderers I met and talk to in prison ! I somewhat distrust islam believers for I seen and heard to many blowing thier self up on the news! Allah, god is a spirit…if u do good god is happy if u do bad god is sad…and thier is spiritual price to pay! Bin laden went to hell …like a lot of the evil islamic believers…like a lot of the evil doers of this world! Enjoy life…enjoy your freedom and stop praying to me for I don’t hear that good…I am dying…evil has been destroying me along with the cosmic universal negative forces…radiation and such…beleve it or not! I see u like a insect when u sleep…and know if u are bad or good!
Peace will come to this world only after religion has left it. Religion is the root of all evil an that is confirmed by all of you here spewing hatred and threatening remarks. Pull yourselves out of the dark age, the age before knowledge of how the world works and the beauty of life. Imagine……
Exactly.
Thomas Jefferson and Winston Churchill knew the threat that is Islam. Christ is real and so is rapture, turn to the name above all names Jesus Christ or suffer eternal damnation.
LOL so that’s why Thomas Jefferson owned the oldest Qur’an that exists in this country? The Founding Fathers had a much different view of Islam than you might think.
http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html
Thomas Jefferson was a deist. That means he believed in God, but not in religion.
Are you for real? Let me guess, an Episcopal or Lutheran church?
First off, we are not in Iraq or Afghanistan to “take over anything.”
Secondly if the Muslim’s continue to gain power here, we lose more freedoms, so I really don’t even want them here.
Thirdly, stop blaming America, pray for our protection against THEM, pray for Israel’s protection against THEM and stop watching ABC, CBS and NBC or CNN to get your news as they are all puppet medias. Even FOX can not tell the truth half the time as they are partly owned by Arabs.
Conservative news is the only news that is going to tell you how, when and where America went wrong and how to fix it before the progressives of Marxism take over our land completely.
Stop being fooled by a liberal church, a liberal media, a liberal government and your liberal friends.
@ Wayne
it must come a time in everyone’s life when they MUST wake up.
You do not need to be protected from Islam..
you need to be protected from your own government…
Whatever gave you the idea that you are FREE…??
Your comments about Iraq and Afghanistan tell’s me that you are not
following your politics, because IF you were, you would know that WE are
in the process of taking over the mid east..of course with the help
of israel…
it is not Islam not the Muslim who are depriving you of your freedoms..
it is yourself and your lack of knowledge about what is really going on
with the mid east…and why…
Ameen! Couldn’t have said it better myself! This loon sounds like he’s drinking Rush Limbaugh’s Kool-Aid.
Go back to freaking wherever you are from we don’t need any more of Allah’s followers here.
I hope that one day the Muslims of Dearborne are sent packing.
@ Wayne
this earth does not belong to you nor anyone else, but it belong to Allah..
Everyone’s has the right to be anywhere they like to be…
Do you not know that there is only One God worth worshipping..
and that God is Allah…?
He is not the God of the Muslim…but He’s the Creator of all that you see…
and all of that you cannot see…
you may not like it,but this is one fact that you cannot change..
May Allah guide you on the straight path….
@ JJ..
May Allah swa guide you on the Straight Path
read your words…can you not see that Shytan/Satan has you tight
in his fist….??
allah is a false god (moon god) . And if this so called allah doesn’t send me on the right path? Then what?? I know your true agenda but this is one Christian that won’t be drove into the sea!! allah the false god an idol! No god at all. Yahweh,Elohim , Jehovah,King of Kings, Abba (Father) the one true God. Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior!! Psalm 83 is at hand we shall see won’t we ……………………………………………….
@ tiredofit
I would like for you to explain to me who is the ” moon god’
tiredofit…how can you possibly know what “my true agenda” is…?
do you know me..or can you read my mind..or do you know the unseen..?
Can you tell me what is Jesus saying in
John 14:15-17
John 15:26
John 16:7 ….to mention few..
and i would like to know if..you can tell me what Jesus is saying in
Matthew :7:12-29
especially 18-26 …who is He talking about…if you know…
waiting to hear from you
thank you…
Hi!
1) Allah is an Arabic word that was anciently : “Al- Elah”. Al means The, and Elah means God. Allah is the Arabic name of “The God”. Arab Christian and Jews use that name for the god they believe (for example Arab Christians call Jesus “ibn-Allah” that means son of the god). So if you are really a Christian, you should not insult Allah.
2)Islam and Muslims are not treat for you , your country or your freedom. History says it’s the west which has been a treat for Muslims: crusades wars, colonization, capturing Muslim lands, invading Muslim countries (even before 9/11) and….
3) It’s funny that someone wants to destroy other one’s rights and freedoms to protect Freedom!!! Ask yourself what is that Freedom without right of immigrating, free religion and right of respect.
Hi!
You said:
This is because the Christian has been set free by Christ and the Muslim is a slave to Islam.
I thought Inquisition was happened in Christian societies. And I believe you don’t know many things about history of your religion and also Islam. When Galileo was forced to deny his knowledge about astronomy , Muslim philosophers were freely discussing about every aspect of Islam. When Isabella was killing and burning all Muslims and Jews in Spain, Christians were living safely and freely in Islamic countries ( Lebanese Christians were living there during all these centuries even after Christians invaded Islamic lands during crusades wars. And now in 21th. century you see how your people wish to reject Muslims from your country)
That’s not true. Most of the great “Muslim” thinkers were atheists/agnostic, just as most of the great “Christian” scholars were atheists/agnostic. They paid homage to religion because they had to.
These religions are nothing but groups of MEN (not Gods) trying to manipulate us out of our time, money, and often life.
You do not have to believe in any religion to enrich your immortal soul. God is in all of us. Religion is the great satan.
Einstein said he studied math and physics so he could “Understand the thoughts of God.” Who forced him to say that? Many great thinkers, contrary to the “atheist scientist myth” were devout believers, and their faith inspired them to try to understand the wonders of creation. BELIEVE it !
Please refer to the entry by Daylan on november 16, 2009 below in regards to my reply)
Daylan, it is interesting after all the banter that came before your entry, none answered you after you wrote your wise words. I believe you brought about the most truth here than all of them. Just as Jesus said in the gospel of John, (ch 3, verses 19-21) “And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” Keep sharing your heart and thoughts like this one: “It is only when we “grow up” and learn to hate and learn that we are “better than the rest” that our true failure becomes evident.” and also this thought “Find your child heart and lose the hate for each other. Pride and self-righteousness is your greatest enemy.” Yes i agree with you, Daylan. We are united in that we are all created beings. We will continue to be united if we seek to love and not hate. Jesus committed the greatest act of love in all history – He died on a cross for all the guilt of mankind, that their debts would be forgiven. If anyone believed in Him and what He did on their behalf they would be able to then live for that great Love and commune with such a giving selfless God who cleanses us from ALL our guilt. Only God can do that. I can only live for a God of Love. A god that encourages hate and death just can’t be the True God.
Take care and may His blessings and Light be upon you! Thanks again Daylon for sharing!
xen
How nice……Except for one small fact…..NO other mainstream religion exacts physical punishment on their believers for not following the “rules” nor does any other mainstream religion require the government to be THAT religion in order to maintain control. Islam does both.
For example…
1. Every woman who had sex out of marriage would be stoned to death.
2. Every girl/woman found alone with a man not her family would be punished and or stoned.
3..Every homosexual would be executed in a public forum.
4. Any person speaking against Islam would be killed.
5. Woman would no longer be allowed to work in public.
6. No more freedom of speech, to watch what we want on tv, listen on radio.
7. Boys would be separated from girls.
I could go on…
Christianity? It is based on a personal relationship with Jesus and our failures are our own. We as Christians do not require YOU or You or you to be a christian nor do we use violence as a punishment for failures of fellow christians. You don’t see honor killings, beheading and loss of basic rights among women in our faith. we want fellow christians to WANT to be not HAVE to be out of fear. Both the Qur’an and most Hadiths instruct Muslims to kill exMuslims. And if any of you know EX-muslims, just ask them…they will tell you……
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so i whent back to check and the mesig was gone just thot id let you know of problem
hear gose agine as fare as i know all books are copyrighted
if you wher to burn the bible you would be suporting the cristian fath because as far as i can tell the copyright is owned by christian orginastions at some point that bible has to be purchest thearby suporting the christian faith
is it the same with the KORAN?
i hope thieas thots help
love fromyour christan infedell friend
please forgive the pore spelling
@ Harold
no one has copyrights to any of the Books send by Allah/God..
The Bible is not own by any Christian organizations, any more that the Jewish own the Torah
or the Muslim own the Quran..
These are Books send by Allah/God to mankind in order that we may learn and understand His
Law’s ect..ect..
To burn the Bible does not mean that it will in any way support the Christian Faith
and to burn the Quran will not support the islamic Faith,it just means that the people who do burn any religious Books are ingorant individuals who do not understand the content of their own Book
and are not true believers in their own Faith…whatever that may be…
All the Books..the Torah, the Bible and the Quran were sent by Allah/God, and contain God’s law’s in it..His name in It..Jesus name in It,and all the names ot the Prophets sent by God…
So, if one is Christian and burns the Quran..or the Torah..is the same as they burn their own Book..
What is it with people…??dont they read the content of their Book..?
where in the Bible or Torah did Allah/God said to burn His Books if you do not like the people who is reading them..?
where did Jesus said that…??
where did Moses said that..or prophet Mohammad…where is it written…???
Burning God’s Books it’s nothing but an act of hate, ignorance and arrogance
not and act of Faith……nothing more nothing less than that…
Peace be to you Harold my Christian brother,
may Allah/God guide you on the Straight Path..
and please feel free to ask anything about Islam that you may want to know…
Al Caswa…With all due respect, the Bible and the Torah are the same book just without the new testament. The Qur’an however is not related in any way as a holy book to anyone but Muslims. Also…Muslims like to inject Islam into Christianity by saying we worship the same GOD. That is very untrue. The god of Islam is NOT our GOD. Just because you use the arabic word for GOD(Allah) does not make him my GOD. My GOD does not mention Muhammad in the Bible and the prophesy of a final prophet coming forth does not describe Muhammad as Muhammad is not an Israelite which in the Bible says he will be. Our bible also warns that if angels come forth and preach the gospel and it is contrary to what was already preached he is to be cursed. Muhammad/ the qur’an contradicts the bible(new testament) repeatedly.
Muslims like to smile and preach about peace and how Islam and Christianity are close in that we worship the same GOD and that the Qur’an has many of the same stories as the bible….Well as far as the Qur’an and the bible….The Qur’an was written some 500 years AFTER our bible was in the hands of Christians, so copying sections was quite easy. What I find amazing about Islam is that eventually Islam become the law of the land and is FORCED upon people with harsh punishments for those that do not follow the rules. With this kind of forced religion you may have millions of Muslims that will follow the law so they will not be punished but in their hearts you may have none. In Christianity you can be as bad a Christian as you want because your salvation depends on YOU and GOD and our GOD loves those that CHOOSE him rather than are forced to him by law. It’s this simple…would you value the gift given to you out of free will and happiness or the gift given out of fear that no gift given will result in beatings and punishments? Where Americans fail is that we do not take the time to understand that Islam in America is contradictory to our very way of American life. We Americans would lose our basic rights if Islam became the state religion. Women would no longer have the rights they have, they would be separate from men, and eventually Sharia law would take hold. No thanks…
@ David (1)..
First let me say thank you for your comments about my Religion, Yes, i am fully aware that the Torah and the Bible are now the same Book,printed as one,but they are also printed separately.
And with all due respect,i must desagree with you about the Quran,but i am always open to opinions..you may know something i dont,and please bear with me here….as most here probably figured that english is not my mother tongue,so at times i am left with no choices but to express myself my way..but no desrespect meant to anyone,Christian,Muslim,Hindu ect..ect..
having said that,let me comment on your opinion that the Creator i call Allah,and the Creator you call God,are two different God’s,or perhaps you may think that Allah may not exsist at all..And actually in the Bible prophet Mohammad is found in the Song of Salomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
and His name is also found many times in the Hindu Scriptures…
Christianity and Islam are very similar, reality is that we share the same “stories”, we believe in thesame Prophets,and indeed, the Quran was written way after the Bible was in the hands of Christians….Important note :
It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles in existence in the 6th Century of the Christian Era when Prophet Muhummed lived and preached
continued..
David2
Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned, like its mentioned in in the book of Isaiah chapter 29: 12:”And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.”
No human had ever taught him a word. His teacher was his Creator.
David, Islam was never forced on anyone…but if we wish to go back in history and explore the first crusaders of 1090 summoned by Pope Urban II to Palestine, we will see that by the admission of Christian scribes themselves,the bloodshed from the slaughter of the Muslim was so great that the crusaders found themselves knee deep into it..
but when the Muslim regain control of Palestine,there was no bloodshed,no one was killed
and the Christians were protected by the Muslim and live peacefully together…
all documentred history….
Muslim will never knock at your door any day of the week..
they will never insist you listen to them..
they will never leave pamphlets or notes even though there is a sign on the door that reads:
no solliciting, no exceptions:
they will never go on tv offering a peace of : blessed cloth: for a :donation: of $100…ect..ect..
If Islam was spread by the sword..as many say…then what kind of sword was used to the american people joyning islam ? or indonesia ,or germany,china..ect..ect..?
The only “sword” used was the sword of Intellect….
continued..
@david (3)
… No disrespect meant here..but why is it that Christians will not accept the words of Jesus…? that always puzzled me…
But i have a question for you David..
if “my God” is not your God…and my God is the wrong God…then why is it that My God in My Book, the Quran, explained to me all about Embriology 1400 years ago,when it was humanly impossible to know about the different stages of the embryo,and things that we were only capable of finding out with our modern technology..and nothing like this is found in the Bible..?
Why do we find in my Book the Quran about the barrier between the salt water and fresh water surah 55 Al-Rahman)..and nothing like its found in the Bible..?
I think the whole idea here as far as religions…is not about my God or your God..its not about liking the law or not liking the law…
but its about finding out what our Creator ordained for us..all of us.
the question is…do we love our Creator enough to obey Him..or do we think we should pick and chose our way of life…?
Our beloved Jesus told His followers all they needed to know…
have they listened…?
have you David, listen..?
Thank you for the opportunity for this post..
may You and all be Guided….
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it would be an injustice for my post to be rejected..
but not toward me,
but to our Creator who is mentioned in my posts..
ok..perhaps it was a little to long..
so i will repost the lines that were removed…
this are the lines belonging to #3..
as i think its very important that people should know..
@david 3
It does the Muslim no good to accept islam because someone told us to..islam mean’s nothing if it does not come from the hart…its like taking a bite out on air when you are hungry…it would be meaningless…and just saying:i accept Islam :
are wasted words,as they mean nothing…as Islam is in the heart,Islam is the Love for our Creator,
Islam is to aknowledge the so many Blessings our Creator bestow upon us..like our beloved
Prophet Mohammad…He was sent as a Mercy to mankind..= me and you,white or black or red..
rich or poor…man or woman….all equal under His Law…
No derserpect meant here..but why is it that Christians will not accept the words of Jesus…?
that always puzzled me…
Thank you @ admin
Al caswa,
We here in the US and everywhere else in the world hear repeatedly from Muslims that we are not to judge Islam by the actions of a “few bad muslims”….???? Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of fellow Mulsims in the name of Islam, Iraq and Iran kill each other in the name of Islam, Afghanistan Taliban kill fellow Muslims in the name of Islam, Hamas and fatah kill each other in the of Islam, Syria supports killing of basically anyone in the name of Islam…I could go on and on and on regarding all the violence in the name of Islam. If Islam is the perfect religion and only a few are bad examples of Islam than why is the entire world including Africa (Somalia), Chechnya, Saudi Arabia, or anywhere Islam takes a hold in constant Violence. Please leave America out as we have very little to do with the fighting within the religion. How can all the violence be justified by the doers using Islamic principles? When the the towers were falling down in NY, YOUR Islamic community was out in the street celebrating and yet your Qur’an clearly states that only combatants against a muslim may be killed? Women and children and non fighting men were NOT to be killed and yet you all were in the street shouting Allah akbar….as even innocent Muslims were killed in the towers.
You can speak of peace within Islam all you want…it does not change reality of what is…..YOU Al Caswa refuse to come to grips with the fact that islam is not living up to what you say it is. I think you may be a good person but you may also be waiting for your notification to Jihad just like Attah in Florida who visited nude bars and liquor lounges in Florida and then killed in the name of Islam. Very mixed up….
Al Caswa,
You should not be concerned as to my relationship with Jesus as it plays no role in this conversation and does not put Islam in a better spot. Islam is FORCED upon people plain and simple whether YOU like it or not. Living in Italy gives you the opportunity to practice your religion in a voluntary manner so good for you but try and go to the middle east with a female friend and want to be alone just to drink a cup of coffee with her and you will have serious problems. Have her walk around with no head covering and just for the heck of it….hold her hand…..let’s see how long it will take before you are chastised. Before too long my friend if you do not listen to islamic law of that country you will experience Islam in a very painful way….Then again for all I know you may stand there and throw stones at her while she is buried up to her waist and cannot get away.
Al Caswa…This is what happens in YOUR religion that YOU LOVE….At least take ownership of that instead of blaming a “few bad Muslims” for all the violence in the world of Islam…Why don’t as an experiment only mind you….push your fellow Muslim friends and Imam by saying you might leave the faith….:) I wonder how long it will take before you here as a warning that you could be killed if you do leave….Of course in Italy you have the choice to do that…So try this in the middle east somewhere….
Al Caswa,
Al Caswa…I sin every day…that does not mean I do not love the Lord and I do not think our Lord thinks that too. He proves that over and over in the Bible. He loves us. As for Embryology??? idk that answer but the real question to you is this…What does embryology have to do with your or my salvation? Nothing…The Bible leads us to salvation not to science class. 
Although science has yet to disprove the Bible by the way….Muslims think the bible was torn apart by the Catholics but when you compare the bible to history books of the times there are no conflicts. And…so far science has researched and tried to disprove times and places and events and so far all the scientists have been able to do is confirm the accuracy of the book. Just last summer a copper box was unearthed in Israel and on it all the names of Jesus’ family members were engraved on it. Carbon dating proved it to be from the time of Jesus and it was found in the area he lived.
We are not perfect and God knows that. What is in our heart cannot be hidden from the Lord so he knows who we are.
As for your question regarding murderers and rapists…I am human so of course I would want the worst pain upon them but that is wrong as a Christian. Jesus says we need to find it in our heart to forgive them and move on and that our days are not promised to us so we need to be right with him and the rest works itself out. You know Al Caswa…even murders and rapists can become saved later on. They still must adhere to whatever punishment our legal system assigns them but there can very well be saved criminals in prison right now. THAT is what is so wonderful….
I would be interested in hearing about your in and out of Christianity and what happened if you don’t mind. Al Caswa…Humans feel comfortable with everything spelled out for them and Islam does that. Do you know that in the Qur’an no where does it say you have to pray 5 times. But yet every Muslim prays 5 times. I guess the Qur’an…GOD’s word is not good enough? Muslims follow some mans ahadith that says to pray 5 times a day? The instruction in the Qur’an is very specific …3 TIMES.
This ahadith writer is the same one that wrote that Ayisha’s mother pulled Ayisha off the swing while she still held her doll and gave her to Muhammad and that Muhammad had marital relations with her. Muslims and maybe you as well say that that Ahadith is “weak” (untrue) as it is not supported by the Qur’an…So which way is it Al Caswa? How can a followed author of religious instruction be right AND wrong and still be followed by a majority of Muslims? If you took away ahadiths the Islamic religion would change drastically and ahadiths are not even GOD’s word but men who decided to write down what they observed during Muhammad’s life.
One more point Al Caswa…do you know that Muhammad was still in the process of reciting and compiling the Qur’an. He died and so other men that had no real involvement in that “miracle”…had no vision from Gabriel decided how to put the book together and what should be in it.
I know this post is long so I’ll give you a day to read and respond…:)
David
@ David…
i have read your post..
it is not 7 am saturday…
im afraid i will be busy for most of the weekend.. weather permitting that is.. as i have workers coming for a project i been working on..
But i will be more than happy to reply to your post…
just in case….as there is no “reply” choice under some of my posts..and some of yours..at least on my end anyways..
and im not familiar with how the blogging system works..
so perhaps there is a limit on how many times one post..i dont know..
either way, rules must be respected…
you touch on few very important subjects…and i intent to reply in detail, if all goes well perhaps later this evening..God’s willing..
Caswa…
Al Caswa,
Funny how the countries you mentioned where Muslims can be muslims without fear are “western” civilizations. In the middle east(Islamic world) Islam is very much forced upon people. Right now as we speak a woman is sentanced to death by stoning in Iran. Adultry is a crime to the nucleus of a family, a crime against trust of your spouse but certainly not a CRIMINAL offense except in Islamic middle eastern countries. A couple were jailed in Saudi Arabia for sharing a kiss in a downtown area because they were not married. A criminal offense? Islam is very much forced onto the people in the middle east because Islam has become LAW of the land. To say it will never happen in a western society is scary because all it takes is a majority vote. That is why Americans need to become aware of how Islam works in countries where islam and the governemnt are joined at the hip. The man that stole the presidency in Iran just had his decision on a matter modified by the Imams as too leniant. So he changed the decison to be inline with Islam(whatever the imams decide that to be).
The only country in the world that has Christianity AS THE rule of law is the Vatican and whether you are in the Vatican or any country of Christian influence you will not find death as an acceptable means to punish religious violators and other than a few of the ten comandments religion is not incorporated into criminal laws.
To a christian “Honor” is not regained within a family by killing the offending family member. That’s “MURDER”!! I was going to say “you can keep your faith” but instead I offer to you to that Jesus welcomes those that seek him so please do that. It will be the best thing you have ever done for yourself….
@ David..1)
first i must say that when i speak of islam…
im not speaking about the actions of some Muslim.., but the Law’s/content of the Quran and the Ahadith’s of the Prophet..as there is good and bad mo matter where you look…
having said that, let me say that there is no honor killing in Islam(Laws of Allah/God)
Honor killing is not found in the Quran…and if its not there, no need to speculate..if its not there we know its not to be done….if its there..then we know it can be done..
Quran 5;32 Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land ..ect..
Qur’an 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
Adultery is a crime agains the Laws of God,my God, your God= one God .
Exodus 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery
Deuteronomy 22:22 “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die
Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death
@ David 2)
then we look at Matthew 5:17-18.>>>
Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, **not the smallest letter**, **not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law**(the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.” <<< meaning till the end of time, as there will be an end to all that we know …here…Nothing should be changed/removed/added from the Law…
Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God or God incarnate=God..
So i must ask myself… if matthews 5.17 ( and not limited to)are the words of God…why did people change them/reject them..basically desregard them…?
Thank you David for your kind offer, ironically i was born and raised in a country where there was no other religion but the Roman Catholic faith..i was born and i grow up in Italy…and the in's and out's of the Christian Faith i know well…
If some day you may read the Quran just out of curiosity, you will find that what you heard about islam…most of it is not incorrect..
i have a question if i may…
what do you think the penalty for child rape and murder should be?
no obligation to answer……
Thank you for you time…
@ David..1)
Saddam killed about 150 thousand people in his 35 years reign..
and mostly were radicals…was he right to do what he did..? no…
the occupation of iraq has taken the life of 1.3 million people in the past 8 years..
was that justified…? no… but they both happen.
i personally think that people need to let others live their life’s in their own countries
under their culture and life style..without forcing democratic governments of them..
does that happen…? no…but it should..
My religion is not fighting anyone..the Muslim are trying to live in their countries without
anyone trying to make them into someones they are not…westerners…
people must respect eachother ways and lifestyles…
no muslim has occupied a foreigner country since i believe mid 1400 …
About 9/11…only the people responsible for what happen truly know what actually happened…
the only thing i’m wondering is how the towers can collaps in 11 and 9 seconds…
and why Silversteen said to “pull” building 7…it din’t get hit by anything..
but i’ll leave these things up to Allah/God..as he know’s down to the T what happen.
David…i am not concerned about your relationship with Jesus…these are things left up to Allah/God, as He is the only One who can see into our heart’s, and He will judge us in time..
@ David 2nd and last..)
About me leaving Islam…it will never happen…but if that was my choice, i could walk away from it right now..
again…this is between me and my Creator, and he will pass Judgement on my for my actions..as He will judge you for your actions..
David… if you tell me that Islam should take ownership for the actions of some muslim…
then i would have to say to you that Christianity should take ownorship for the 10′s of thousand of molestation cases within the Catholic Church (the building blocks of Christianity)for the past 40 years…
But that would not be fair..because Christianity is not responsible for that… the priest’s are…..one must be fair in his/her dealings…..
PS…i think you misunderstood about Italy…
what i meant was that i was born into the Catholic religion..as in..i was Christian my whole life
minus 3 years…never hears about Islam before 9/11…look into it for few years..accepted Islam 3 years ago..
and i left Italy at the age of 18 a life time ago……and a resident of America since…
Quran 109
Say (O Muhammad (PBUH)to these Mushrikun and kafirun
“O Al-Kāfirûn (disbelievers in Allāh, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)
I worship not that which you worship,
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islāmic Monotheism.
Peace be to you David
Iran doesn’t have ‘imams’. It has a Grand Ayatollah and mullahs that make decisions there. Do you know why it’s impossible for there to be an ‘imam’ in Iran? I suggest you take the time to actually research what you’re talking about before you go typing on without knowledge.
Christianity isn’t really a good example nor is Judaism of capital punishment being followed or not followed in a land. Especially when it’s well known that both Christians and Jews cherry pick passages from the Torah and Bible to suit them. Just because Christians don’t actually enforce the laws of the Bible doesn’t mean that Christianity doesn’t call for capital punishment. The laws are still there, you all just choose not to follow them.
David, THANK YOU for reminding me time and time again why I should NOT accept Christianity. It’s exactly attitudes like yours, condescending, aggressive and hateful that turns me off from Christianity. You could not be more wrong about Islam. Excuse me sir, but I was under the impression that God is EVERYONE’S God, not ‘your’ God. Even in your Bible there are glaring contradictions to what God supposedly taught. Paul contradicts Jesus over and over again yet you spew this rubbish about the Qur’an contradicting the Bible. The New Testament is NOT in any way shape or form part of the Torah so you got that wrong too. Jews do NOT accpt Jesus as anything other than a Jewish guy and they point out the fact that your Bible goes against their teachings. So if you want to use these arguments against the Qur’an, that because it contradicts the Bible as an earlier scripture, that it is invalid, then I suggest you LOOK IN THE MIRROR SIR!
I just wonder if you consider and analyse the following statistics:
1. how many killings have been done by the christians or the christian majority countries.
2. How millions of red indians were wiped out of their own contry.
3. What number of black africans were kidnapped, bought and slaved in america.
4. For how long christian states of USA backed exploitation of black americans. The christians presiets supported un-christian happenings.
5. How many countries of the world were conolised by the christian countries. The basic fabric of the culture destroyed for their economic gains.
6. How many Vietnamese killed (1.5 million) by americans for no reason. Can you compare the atrocities of 9/11 with Vietname.
7. Which country used atom bomb to kill thousands and thousands.
8. How many millions killed by a Christian in WW I and WW II.
9. Bush a so-called and Blair a so-called Christian lied to kill millions in Iraq.
10. Do you the “True Believers” have the courage to come out and practice Christianity by telling your people and the governments how un-christian they are.
11. Is Christianity just to do all sorts of adultary and unethical sex activities on the fridays and saturdays evenings and after sunday morning shower come in your church and face God and Christ. Isn’t it a mockery.
11a. Can you calculate the % of most destructive weapons being produced by the Christian world. Were this will be used. How many resources of the poor countries will be plundered by selling these weapons. Is it behaving on Christs teachings.
12. You do not become christian by just standing in the church on saturdays.
13. Please come forward and become a true Christian.
14. Jesus was an honorable prophet. Practice his teachings. He does not want recitations. Be a true christian and not just a pressure group.
Tell your governments to stop spying the world for their gains. It is un-christian behavior.
Musarrat
This is true. So what is your point? It is bad when Christians do it and ok when Muslims do it?
No, it is wrong no matter what.
Down with religion.
You can be saved and enlightened by God without religion.
Nice presentation, but overriding the entire story is the Muslim’s unwillingness to assimilate entirely into the American culture. it appears American’s are accepting them, listening to them, and accepting their culture in Dearborn. They refuse to make an effort to understand American Christianity? We must put signage up in languages other than English, hear their many calls to daily worships, hear them speak in their native languages?
They want the best of America, but seem not to be too excited about assimilating with what our Founding Fathers envisioned. Too bad for them and us.
Why should the Muslims assimilate? Our country is supposed to be The Great Melting Pot, all races and religions. I do not wish to offend any one, but as I see it we all are basically worshiping the same God. Our books differ slightly, but the message is basically the same.
Most Muslims in America were BORN IN AMERICA and are descendants of African slaves. That’s right, African-Americans. They are already American so there is nothing to ‘assimilate’. What I think you mean by ‘assimilation’ is to adopt your ways. Sorry, not gonna happen! We are very happy being Muslim and we feel no need to ‘assimilate’, that is to become Christian as you want. Also I think you need to study history a bit more. The Founding Fathers NEVER promoted or advocated Christianity as a state religion or English alone as a language. There is not official language of America, although the majority speaks English (and even that is changing with the influx of Hispanics in America). Therefore what’s wrong with signs other than English, the calls to daily prayer and speaking languages other than English? Seems that YOU aren’t excited about assimilating with what the Founding Fathers envisioned. Too bad for you and the rest of us.
Interesting to note that when Trevor Jones calls for a “Burn the Koran” day he received over 100 death threats.
While I’m glad he didn’t burn them I do wonder how well the Christian / Muslim community in America is getting along. It seems both sides have a long way to go, or?
@ Observer
Terry Jones is someone who is looking for his 15 minutes of fame…
well…he got that..
and Christians and Muslim are still getting along fine…
And indeed..there is always room for improvement on both sides..
for that matter…there is plenty room for improvement for the whole world….
why was my reply to Don Ruh deleted…?
The comment is too long and too difficult to understand.
@TDI…
the reply to Ron was about : Muslim’s unwillingness to assimilate into the American culture, and that the Muslim refuse to make an effort to understand American Christianity:..
Matthew 5:17 (the words of Jesus) is self explanatory for every Christian… Jesus said He came not to change the Law of Moses, but to uphold the law.
Instead Christians follow the teachings of Paul…and Paul changed the Law of Moses therefore disregarding the words and message of Jesus.
In Deuteronomy God speaks to Moses of a prophet He will send, from their brethren like unto thee as in Moses, that cannot be Jesus as Jesus Himself said in John 14:15-17,15:26, 16:13-15, 16:7-13, the ulettered Prophet, The Spirit of Truth (not the Holy Spirit) he will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I said to you he will testify about me >> and that’s a very important point
God send Prophet Mohammad as a Mercy to mankind=the whole world,Jews and Gentile alike..Jesus told His followers to listen to the Comforter ..and the Muslim do…
bottom line is the Muslim understand the real Christianity
Actually…the Muslim are the best Christians as we follow the teachings of Jesus to the T…..
by accepting and following the message of prophet Mohammad and the teachings of the Quran..
as Jesus Himself told His followers to do… its all there in the Bible,in the words of Jesus…
TDI…
if the comment was not to long,
i will post in two parts
but i do not think it’s to difficult to understand…
all it was, were straight quotations from the Bible…
what was there to difficult to understand..?
My reply to you, surely is not to long, and elementary to understand..
then i will assume that it should not be deleted…
as i am sure Ron Ruh would apreciate a reply..
and im sure he will have no difficulty to understand the content..
One must be fair in his dealings…
@ David…1)
Indeed we are far from being perfect….if we were,i would either wake up,or scroll way down the page..before i type anything early in the morning..but i din’t..:)
but on a serious note, yes i agree,none of us are perfect ,and we all sin one way or another..Does that mean we dont love our Creator..? it does not, but the whole idea about repenting and asking forgiveness,is to try very hard not to repeat the same mistakes over and over..just because we know that Allah/God will forgive us..and i think just because we know that He is so Mercyful,we should at least try to obstain ourselves from the things He truly dislike…like adultery, fornication,mischief..actually, mischief is alot more serious than people think…why is that..? because mischief is disbelief and acts of disobedience
(Abbas and Ibn Mas`ud ):Do not make mischief on the earth”), that is disbelief and acts of disobedience on the earth. Their mischief is disobeying Allah/God because whoever disobeys Allah on the earth, or commands that Allah/God be disobeyed, he has committed mischief on the earth. Peace on both the earth and in the heavens is ensured (and earned) through obedience (to Allah/God)<<<< important point here..
And yes i know He know who we are,He also know all our thought's and intentions,and when the time comes, we will be judged not only on our deeds, but also on our intentions..as in if one give alot in charity just to show off…and not because Allah/God told us to,and because you wish to help someone in need..one will receive the reward for showing off…not much reward in there….
In the next post i like to touch on science and embriology…
but this will be all for tonight…it has been a looooooooooong day…
David 2)XX
about science and Embryology..
Actually David, about Embryology..one must wonder how someone, anyone 1400 years ago could possibly know anything about embryology..so the question is..?how did the Prophet knew about this…
and who give Him this very accurate information..?…i am asking you this question…
Respectful i have to say that science has disproved the Bible…why…? speaking only on the book of Genesis…
Genesis 1:3–5 the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of Creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis1: 14 to 19) on the fourth day.
Its not logical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. also, the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun..according to science..
Genesis1: 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and in verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun…so, to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system…according to modern science…
Just few points here about science and Bible..
the Bible was a book of guidance for the followers of Jesus, and sadly some people decited to add, subtract and change the content of the Books..
to be continued…Caswa
@ Admin…
again my apology as my post was to long…
i will repost what was truncated from my
David 2)XX post…
>>formation of the solar system…according to modern science…
Genesis1: 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further in verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as it said in the Bible..?
(Just few points here about science and Bible..
the Bible was a book of guidance for the followers of Jesus, and sadly some people decited to add, subtract and change the content of the Books..)
Jeremiah 8:8…”How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie” .
to be continued
on my next post i will touch on your comment about the 3 or 5 times a day for Salat(Prayer)
and about the writer of the Ahadith’s..
caswa…
islam is not a religion, it is an army,… you fool no one in this Country of religious freedom.
The FBI watches you, 24/7! you and your army are a paria in this world
@ Tom 1)
well..it would be very sad indeed if the FBI waste our money in watching Muslim 24/7
when without thinking i can come up with hundreds of much NEEDED reasons, right here at home,on how to spend all the BILLIONS used in fighting this “immaginary terrorist threats”..
If Islam was an army, how do you explain that its the american army that invaded Islamic lands?
(early 50th’s Iran comes to mind..to mention one..as the whole list is way to long to mention here)
or Afghanistan before 9/11 or..or
your thoughts >9/11< But islam had nothing to do with that,anymore that the true Christians had anything to do with the slaughter of the Muslim with the expeditions of the crusaders.
One must be fair in his/her dealings Sir..
Well Tom..if myself and Islam are a "pariah" to the world..all i can say is Alhamdulillah..(Praise be to God) that it is He who will judge myself and my Brothers and Sisters,and not you..
@Tom 2)
A strange thing though…i cannot think of one single country/nation that the “Islamic army” invaded/occupied..
can you Sir, say the same about the american military..?
But i do know of wars that islam was engaged with other lands
War= open armed conflict between two or more parties
occupation/invasion= the seizure and control of an area by military forces-
infringement by intrusion-settlement-
Are you Sir, aware that all america need to do in order to eradicate “terrorism” ,is to let other Nations live their life’s in peace…because when a nation, ANY nation is invaded, they will defend themselves..(i guess that IS considered Terrorism by some..)
as you, would defend your family and your country..would you not Sir..?
Good day to you Sir,and may Allah/God guide you and all…
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@ tom…..
i wish i could be there the day you MUST explain your words…
Allah/God said…
anyone who is the enemy of Allah/God,His messengers,His Angels
Allah/God is an enemy to him/her…
So let me ask you Tom….
If God is your enemy,and it seems that to be the case…..
who will you call that day when you will be in severe need of anyone
to intercede for you…?
A man will speak the words…
but the wise man will reflect upon his choice of words
before he speak them…
and if he realize made a mistake….
the real man will at least repent…
I agree. Thank you for saying this.
@ David..
A )Sorry for the delay David..
but my work has being keeping me busy lately..
About me “going in and out of Christianity”..what i said was that “i know the in’s and out’s of christianity”
meaning that i know the Religion well..
David, Islam does not “spell everything out”..anymore than Jesus “spelled everything out”for His followers.
as He said in John (and not only)14:15-14:23-24″ if you love Me you will obey My commandments’ ect.
John 16:13, “However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.”
surely Jesus cannot be speaking of the Holy Spirit…!!!
John 16:14, “He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.”
(Interesting to know that in the OS(Old Syriac) the Spirit of Truth is used, but changed to the Holy Spirit in the Bible)
Prophet Mohammad was well known among not only his people, long before he was a prophet ,but also by the jews as the One who had never spoken a lie in His life…He is the Spirit of Truth…
B)Isaiah 28:9-12 ect
isaiah 42:1 to 25..is pretty much self explanatory…..
These and more are the things that Jesus told His followers…
but as you can see..few seems to understand what He said to them..
all others…they sure are not going out of their way to obey Him…
even though they think of Him as God or the Son of God..
Telling someone the Laws of God,is not “spelling everything out” to/for the people..
but its the “job” of all Prophets and Messengers of Allah/God..
that is the reason They,..each and every one of them, were sent to us…
** )about Salat 3 or 5..
where you read in the Quran that mention 3 times…only 3 times are mentioned by name:
Fajr,Asr,and Isha…and it does not mean that we should observe 3 Salat and not 5…
the Quran is 100% the Words of Allah/God..and of course im refearing to in the Arabic language here..
as all translations are the opinion of the translator,but pretty close to the meaning..that is why every muslim learn the language in order to understand the true meaning….
The Sunnah was a revelation from Allah just as the Quran, although it is not recited as the Quran is recited..
so as far as everything such daily problems,Salat,how to, what to do..what not to do..ect…ect..
all this is written in the Hadith’s( Sunnah of the Prophet)..as i said,the Sunnah is still the revelation of Allah/God, but spoken by the Prophet Mohammad and separate from the Quran..and they do not contradict eachother..
but if there is a contradiction between the two..the Quran is always followed
The people that wrote the Hadith’s are the Companions of the Prophet.. in it we find solutions for every problems we will have in our daily life’s…and i mean everything,on every level.
All Hadith are the spoken words of the Prophet…no one else’s but His.
***)
The whole Quran was revealed by Jibrail (the ArchangelGabriel) by the time the Prophet death in 632…
Every syllable in the Quran was revealed by Jibrail ( in person) to Prophet Mohammad…and to no other man.
The Prophet used to recite the whole Quran in the month of Ramadan..the year he die,he recited it twice…
When Jibrail came with a Surah(chapter)..He recited it for the Prophet,and the Prophet memorized it…and He then recite for His Companions..as you know he was illiterate..
(And as it’s said in John 16:13..>>He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak ect..ect..)
so His Companions wrote word by word down, probably on camel hides or whatever was available to them
The compilation was finished, sometime between 650 and 656, well after the death of the Prophet..
A copy of the original still in a museum in Turkey, and another in Yemen..
interesting reading in Isaiah 29:11-16
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About Aisha (ra), ..she was not married to the prophet at the age of 6…,but SHE accepted to marry Him at the age of 9…some say 12..Allah knows best..one should consider the time and culture…it was the culture of the time that girls marry at the onset of puberty,and we all know that in desert climates girls devellop earlier than in cooler climates…besides, there were reasons as to why He married a young girl..and no,it was not sex..
Even today in some countries girls marry very young..
His other wife’s were as old as 50-60
if not older…and most were widow’s..and for that too there were reasons..
David..
i will tell you why i separated myself from the religion of Christianity,and accepted Islam
latrer this evening or in the next few days In Sha Allah…
Caswa
I can not believe that we re letting this happen in the US. How can we have a nation within a nation. I am so scared for our future generations.
@ M. Bridges
indeed, there is much to worry
we have reached a point from which we will not turn back, not because its impossible,but because we have forgotten our reason for being,and what our responsabilities are.
we have forgotten how we got here
we have forgotten that all we have,is given to us by our Creator
we have forgotten how we should use what we have being given
We let our neighbours go hungry, while we feast and intertain
we amass large amounts of wealth, while the people of the world die of starvation
We could submitt and obey the Laws of our Creator,we could be decent people,we could be honest people..we could..we could. we could.
but we wont.
We chose to forget about Allah/God and His Laws
and so indeed, for all of those who chosed forget about Allah/God
Allah/God will forget about them.
All muslim know that
Al-Munafiqoon – 63:9
O believers! Let neither your riches nor your children divert you from the remembrance of Allah.
Those who will do so, it is they who shall be the real losers.”
Christians know too
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN AND WILL HEAL THEIR LAND
Truly self explanatory….
been to afghanistan islam is not peaceful and is pushed on people many people dont know why they do things there you ask them something and all they can say is allah says to. which is bull****. i was caring and didnt worry about what others thing but islam is not real its some fantasy just something made up. way to many wholes in the story of it.
@ Jon
Greetings..
may i ask your reason for visiting Afghanistan, and the lenght of your stay..?
Al caswa,
I didn’t get a chance to tell you in our chats but my sister had to work in Saudi Arabia for almost a year. When she arrived she hadto schedule a meeting with “officials” so that she understood her role in society while she was there. She was told to cover from head to toe, she was told she could never be seen with a man other than her husband and that she must always be with at least one other woman or her husband. She was expected to live as a Muslim even though she was not. Do you know that women in Saudi Arabia cannot work in stores and that even women’s lingerie and underwear stores only hire men? Women must buy underwear and sexy lingerie from men???? Recently the women tried to protest but they were ordered to stop protesting. So they have to buy online and hope the clothing fits. Islam is more than a religion…it is a forced government onto its people with reprisals if the people do not obey.
David..
that is Saudi Arabia,they have their laws, and outsiders should respect them, or avoid going there..
we have the same principals here,you brake our laws, you pay the penalty,at least there when you arrive, they will let you know what THEIR rules are.
here too we have rules, if you shoot an intruder in your propierty, you go free..
the thing is that we are in america,and have our laws,they are in Saudi,and have their laws..we expect everyone to obey our laws,and we must do the same.
I know people from Saudi…i know women who do not wear the hijab..
it is a mixed society, with many jews and Christians living there..
you say:Women must buy underwear and sexy lingerie from men:..so what?
here 15-16 year old girls go and buy condoms from men from drug stores..not only that,we give them out in schools to 10 years old children..
i was looking up the rape statistics awhile back..There were 194,270 white and 17,920 black victims of rape or sexual assault REPORTED in 2006 in america
according to the UN there were 95,136 in 2002 in america,and 59 in saudi arabia..
i think that a government should have laws in place that benefit and protect its people as a whole..
that is freedom…and freedom is a great thing, but to much freedom in the hands of the wrong people,its often abused and becomes a lethal sentence for others..
I think that the figures speak for themselves..
bottom line is that all must respect others ways and lifestyles,and if we would obey and follow the Laws of our Creator, we would all be on the same wave lenght…
and no one would have to worry about statistics of any kind.
I will reply about my switch in the morning In Sha Allah…
So, why did i switch from Christianity to islam..?
perhaps the fact that i grow up without the “influence of modern society” had something to do with it.
for the first 8-9 years of my life i lived in a very beautiful place north east of Italy,not much there but 3 or 4 homes within 1 1/2 2 mile area,so basically the awareness of “society” was absent,and needless to say, so was the church.
And then i went from my” Garden of Eden” to the chaotic ways, aka “our society” and here comes the church,and with the Church comes the Bible..and with the Bible comes confusion…and at the end of all of that,come time for R&R=read and reason.
I read about who God is,and i found out He is not human and has no human form.
so then i have to wonder why they say”God created man in “His” image ( God created Adam in “his’own image=the image of Adam the human adult,) We do not know the form of God…if He has one, seen that He is pure Energy.
and after reading abouyt Who He is,and understanding/realizing all he is capable of….(all i need to do here..is look around me )
i have to wonder why He need help , and then i really have to wonder why He (Astaghfirullah) kills a totally innocent person (His Son according to some,God Himself according to others)to save us=wrongdoers,warmongers,criminals, rapist’s ..ect…it just did not make any sense to me..
totally unlogical.. according to me.
and here the 13th Commandment comes to mind…together with >>
Ezekiel 18:20
Matthews 16:27
Romans2:6
Numbers15:31
Deuteronomy24:16 ect..ect..
And the list of questions went on and on…
And so i learn about Satan,and the question was..and who is He/She..?
to be continued later today In Sha Allah…
Its worst then I thought. Things must be done.
Personally, all this has nothing to do with God, but people and thier interpretation of God.
History shows, not matter what religion, there is violence. Christianity saw in the Roman times, and Romans werent even Muslim, yet they slaughtered Christians by the hundreds.
Hitler slaughtered Jews.
Catholics slaughtered everyone, even thier own people during the middle ages and during the inquisition as well as during the Salem witch trials.
Arguing about who is right is probably not what people should do, but rather “what is right”
Remember, no one is perfect. No one can be, and no race is unblemished from violence against another wether it be fore color, religion, polotics or just downright misunderstanding.
Violence is a human trait, one which we must overcome. One that was given to us to overcome.
Hatred, slander, anger, bigotry, cruelty, close-mindedness, violence, self-righteousness, all these are the preachings of someone I would rather not mention, other than to say “he who is evil”.
So when you open your mouth to speak against another HUMAN BEING, remember, Whose gospel are you preaching?
I’m wondering why this wasn’t censored. Disgusting! I could NEVER be part of a religion that has such disrespect for others. I’ve been confused for a while about God and about religion. To be honest, Islam appeals to me more than Christianity. All of the hatred coming from Christians these days in this country really makes me feel sick.
Have fun wearing a burka and being a fourth wife.
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are patriarchal, monotheistic religions and are bound by one thing – their contempt of women!
I read faithfreedom and really, I have to say that it seems to be a bunch of emotional drivel with no real basis in fact. These people all seem to be a bunch of disgruntled ‘former Muslims’ who are angry.
Who are you to say that we don’t?
Who appointed you spokesperson of Muslim women? WHO ARE YOU say that we are disregarded or that we have no ‘equal rights’ as Muslim women? Did you even bother to talk to any Muslim women before you make the ASSumptions that you made here? Has it ever occurred to you that we CHOOSE to remain veiled? Why should I show anyone my body? Why do you need to see it to feel that I am ‘liberated’? Why is it absurd that a call to prayer can be heard? If you are Christian you should be ASHAMED of yourself for even saying something so stupid. We don’t complain about church bells so why does the Islamic call to prayer bother you so much? Why should we live the way you live in order to be accepted? Sounds to me that it’s American Christians like yourself who are intolerant. You want everyone to ‘assimilate’, meaning to adopt your religion and way of life. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I say GOOD on Dearborn!
She does not want your choice to remain veiled to impinge upon her choice to remain unveiled, which it can given Muslim history.
Christians and Jews are misogynist too, but we are talking about Muslims specifically.
I think that non-secular Christians, Jews, and Muslims are all a threat to US as a secular country.
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Well put Daylan, you gave me goose bumps. I wish there were more people in the world with ideals like yours. Thank you.
The ever growing popular fear and hate for Muslims in this country is uncalled for, produced by ignorance and misunderstanding. I can’t help but be sickened by this countries behavior. FDR once said “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself”, some very wise words that we should heed. Our fear blinds us and makes us behave irrationally, making mistakes and enemies. We are all human, inside we are indistinguishable, all that separates us are petty differences. We are human, shouldn’t we be brothers and sisters too?
Don’t be stupid.
We should fear all religions. Look at history.
@ Ahmed
Please,allow me to correct you…
its not “religion “we should fear
but people like you who do not have a clue which side is up
and which side is down…
maybe so, but say something they deem as offense to muhamad and see if you don’t get beaten
This might be true in theory, but what was the ACTUAL practice of all these religions? Religion has been a great tool to motivate people to kill and to die for others (the reward being the afterlife).
You are silly. She is talking about gender segregation, which threatens her directly as she is a woman (I assume by the name Sarah).
If there was an influx of a religious minority that forced men to stay home, wear veils and kept them from paid employment/education would you be so charitable?
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@ Renee
you said>The US likely allowed you to live here because you were seeking asylum from the terrors of your own nations,<> but that’s not what you really are doing, is it? <>You are free to your Muslim beliefs, but go practice them in someone else’s nation<>but I no longer believe in your right to come here!!<<
well Renee…i do sympatize with you..but it does not matter what you believe…
as i said before,i have the right to be anywhere i want to be..
and with all due respect…may i point out that no muslim has EVER INVADED,OCCUPIED
america….like america HAS INVADED,AND STILL OCCUPY MUSLIM LANDS…
and not only…
Dear Renee…are you not keeping up with what is happening..such the slaugthering
of children in Iraq,Afghanistan, the rape of girls,the total disregard for human life…??
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@ Renee 1
You said>The US likely allowed you to live here
because you were seeking asylum from the terrors of your own nations,<> but that’s not what you really are doing, is it? <>You are free to your Muslim beliefs,
but go practice them in someone else’s nation<<
Renee…perhaps YOU were not told that the
WHOLE WORLD belong to Allah/God,and not to me or you…
therefore i have the right to practice His religion anywhere i wish to do so…
as you have the right…therefore i do not need YOUR permission…
@ renee 2
You said>>but I no longer believe in your right to come here!!<<
well Renee…i do sympatize with you..
but it does not matter what you believe…
as i said before,i have the right to be anywhere i want to be..
and with all due respect…
may i point out that no muslim has EVER INVADED,OCCUPIED
america….
like america HAS INVADED,AND STILL OCCUPY MUSLIM LANDS…
Dear Renee…are you not keeping up with what is happening..
such the slaugthering of children in Iraq,Afghanistan,
the rape of girls,the total disregard for human life…??
interesting…the following lines somehow did not appear..again…
**Actually Renee..you are very wrong,i’ve been a resident of the us looong before i accepted Islam.**
**Tell me Renee…what is that YOU think i am doing here..?**
@ Renee…
i forgot to ask you if you are aware that america also invaded
and occupied…..america…you know way..way back…?
you remember,im sure,that america did belong to the
native Indian tribes….up till your people kind of kill most of them
and claimed this land as theirs…
Common knowledge really…
Do you see a pattern here somewhere…?
So..realisticaly..it’s wise to think before you question MY right to be here….
you think….?
may Allah guide you to Beautiful Islam
The Bible sets forth standards of modest dress and chaste personal conduct, but no “Christian” women seem to care to follow those standards today. They are the true betrayers of Christ, because claiming knowledge of him and salvation by him, they betray him every day. God Bless the Muslims, for as the Bible says, “OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE, AND TO HARKEN TO GOD’S WORD IS BETTER THAN THE FAT OF RAMS.” All the sacrifice in Israel, including that of Christ, was meant to bring people into — to turn hearts and minds toward– submission to the will of God: Islam MEANS submission to the will of God, just as Jesus prayed for us to do in the “Lord’s Prayer.” Christians need to get a grip on reality and realize they are worshipping western fads, living in neo-Pagan Roman revival, and NOT living by the will of God Almighty. Again I say, “They are the true betrayers of Christ, because claiming knowledge of him and salvation by him, they betray him every day.”
The revelations of holiness, light, and truth can only come through the Holy Spirit of God if you allow it in, but you must allow it to penetrate your being or it cannot help you. Otherwise, you cannot fulfill the command: Be Holy, for God IS Holy. As Islam teaches, God will guide those who seek His guidance, but the one who resists will go astray into darkness until/unless he or she finally realizes their own way is the way of death and pain in sin, and they need to turn toward God. Then, as Islam proclaims, “Allah is most gracious, most merciful.” He will accept your sincere repentance and show you his ways, for as Islam says, echoing words of the Apostle Paul, “Allah is nearer to you than your own jugular vein.” Allah is as Israel was taught to identify God, THE MOST HIGH, the GOD OF JESUS CHRIST (READ YOUR BIBLES!!! JESUS WENT TO HIS GOD WHEN HE ASCENDED!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!), THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, THE GOD OF JACOB!!! Is THE MOST HIGH GOD your God, or have you taken another, even Christ, to be the God of Christ?
Islam is a works based religion – they are working to try to please a false god. Followers of Christ are saved by faith in Jesus not by things they do of their own hand. Muslims wake up before it is too late. No one gets to the Father except through Him.
@ Tom
You said >>muslims are evil,……… ALL of them!!!!!!!<<
care to share your knowledge on why you think
that " every " muslim is evil..?..
perhaps you know something i dont..
and im always eager to hear what it is that you know about this subject,
that could make things as clear for me,as they seem to be for you.
you should read the book “muslim mafia”! I know what islam did during the “Crusades”! you say muslims have never invaded any Country, that is a Major Lie you have told just like All the other lies muslims always tell!!! islam mohammed and allah are nothing but pure evil, and islam will not grow in this land ever!
I also know what goes on in Dearborn MI., as you people multiply in in this Country there are going to be problems between Americans and muslims and there will be people getting shot when the riots start! you people will most likely wake another “sleeping giant” and you will pay a dear price.
There are many Americans that will not put up with your kind and they are armed to the teeth, mark my words, there is trouble brewing and you people are the ones stirring the pot. True Americans are the ones who will empty the pot forever!
One must wonder what Jesus (as) would say if He would read some comments here…
Hello ! By the way folks God loved all mankind no matter what your race enough to send his only begotten Son who was also God before the foundation of the world. But became a man so he could die on a cross for sinful man who sinned in the garden of Eden which brough about sickness , dying , wars , murdur , adultery , thefts , rapes , and various other crimes that people do against each other because of the sin nature that dwells in them. But the way out of it is to realize you are a sinner before a Holy God your creator , change your mind about your sins , and turn away from it to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ who came into the world to save sinners from their sins that bring misery and shame. He came to be conceived by the Holy Spirit , be born of a virgin , live a sinless life and to die as the one sacrafice for sins forever on the cross of Calvary . He was buried , and rose from the dead the third day , was seen of men , and went back up to heaven. For the wages of sin is death ; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. http://www.HolyBible.com , Sincerely ;
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@ Teresa, if i may ask…, what are the basis/facts of your comment?
have you researched and studied this religion?
Jesus would say that muslims are on the path to hell for what they do and for what they want.
What they want is to take over the world and whoever opposes them will die by their hand for not becoming a muslim,….. that’s a fact ! It’s in the quran
It’s just about the same thing as obama who is a muslim sitting and listening to rev. wright for 20 years and not acknowledge what wright preached! All you people do is lie to anyone who is not muslim,….. t
@ Tom,
Are you sure YOU qualify to speak for Jesus (AS)..?
but if you think you do,..please read the Bible
Mathttew 15:24
Deuteronomy 18:18 << cannot be speaking of Jesus
Isaiah 29 :12<<And the book is delivered to him that is not learned ONLY Prophet Mohammad
Song of Solomon 5:16
John 16:7…etc..etc..
And…if you know anything about Islam, you would know that Obama cannot and he’s not a Muslim.
May you be guided…
Salam
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@ Tom i see that confronted with facts from your own Bible
you fall short for words….well..educated words as far as this topic goes anyways..
by the way Tom,do you know that when we will meet our Creator,
and we sure will…we will have to explain our choice of words
PS.. devils do not want a muslim as a spokeperson,
as we will never have anything good to say about them..
they know who to hang with….
and pigs do not speak..
interesting…you capitalize the word pigs….
may Allah guide you on the Straight Path..
Ameen
Not a Bible scholar, but I can read. I’ll give it a try.
“Mathttew 15:24″ But he helps the woman because of her faith, although his mission had not reached that stage, just like he helped the Roman Centurion (Matthew 8:5-13), etc.
“Deuteronomy 18:18 … cannot be speaking of Jesus”
Why? He was from the twelve tribes of Israelites, brethren same as Deut. 17:15 speaks of (unlike cousin Ishmael, Galatians 4:21-31), and Jesus delivered a new covenant.
Why are you ignoring Isaiah 29:11? Is that someone special? It doesn’t say either one of them (verse 11 or 12) uses the scroll for anything. Did Gabriel hand Muhammad a scroll?
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GUYS, seriously stop hating.
I don’t think anything in this article had offended Christians. They didn’t use any harsh words, did they?
Iy you were born a Muslim, you shall believe in Allah. If you were born a Buddhist, then you shall pray to the Buddha. If you were born a Christian, Jesus is who you should believe in.
Enough said.
interesting,,,,,perhaps this way…?
1) actually,this is not YOUR country…as YOU have stolen this land from the rightful owners
of this land/country…>> the native tribes <<
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I am a native of this land, I am an active member of a tribe and an active American citizen. I don’t feel anything has been stolen from me, I am a very important part of this country. Don’t speak for me al.Caswa. I am not a victim. I am so tired of hearing this rhetoric, oh you Americans stole from and murdered the natives….guess what? I have a grandfather…3 to 4 times great who envisioned a great future and helped the US Military. I am an American and the only person who wants to steal my heritage from me is you. Get a new cause.
I was “searching” information on Muslim life in America..when I came across this page..I read through most of the comments posted on here and could not believe some of the things that..supposedly mature adults were saying.. I am an American Catholic who was raised in a Catholic environment my whole life..I was never taught to pass judgment on anyone for who they were, what they had, what religion they were or what they wore..people have opinions and are free to say what they will..but there is only one being who has the right to judge..and whether he is called “God” or “Allah” you will stand “alone” before him one day and answer for all “YOU” have done that was right or wrong..not anyone else..I was taught to pray for “peace”..whether if it was for myself, family..or this world..
There are people in this life that do bad things..and they come from all types of backgrounds, race and religion..but that doesn’t make “Everyone” of their race and religion a bad person..with bad intentions…
May God “Allah” watch over each one of you.
Maybe kristi is not aware of what all muslims intents are for this Country, and I mean,… it’s not good!
@ Tom…
somehow i fail to understand how YOU..of all people would have any information EVEN IF……
muslim intend to do anything in this country…
And for the record, all muslim want to do,is live in peace without having ANYONE spreadding
lies in a hope to create more hate between people..
tell me Tom..when was the last time the Muslim INVADED ANY COUNTRY..??
I an sure that Kristi is sensible enought to be able to come to her own conclusions
and see the hate and malice generating from some comments here..
Do remember that in time we ALL have to stand before our Creator..and explain our
words and actions..and the REAL intention behind our words and actions….
May Allah have Mercy on you,and may He guide you on the Straight Path..
@ Tom,i think the question was>>WHEN was the last time…etc..etc..so, we are talking here the year 700..some…when the muslin conquered Spain,it is now the year 2011..and we (america) still in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya…and we are still working hard on Iran..and not only…not keeping track here..but the question is WHY….??
But if you wish to talk about events of the past..shall i mention Pope Urban II
as in the Crusaders.? which by the way,when the muslin “invaded” spain,they did not slaughter people and children like the crusaders did…
You are only “american” because your ancestors migrated to this country…not unless you are a native indian american…which i doubt..
So you said >>muslims have contributed nothing to this world, <> http://tinyurl.com/7d67sap <<
May Allah take the hateful torment from your heart,
and grant you Tom, a moment of Solace that you may know how it feels..
Lord knows you are in desperate need..
i cannot come close to immagine myself living day in,day out with so much hate inside of me, like you have…i truly pity you…
I just wonder why you hate Islam so much….
hmmmm..it seems that for some reason something was “cut’ from ny post..
lets try again..
>> So you said >>muslims have contributed nothing to this world, <> http://tinyurl.com/7d67sap <<
Muslims invaded Kuwait in 1990. Or were you not old enough to remember that?
@ Kristi..
If you wish to learn about Islam..
Its very important to learn from the right sources,…
much out there that is incorrect about Islam..i to grow up Catholic,therefore i know
Christianity very well..there is really very little differance between Islam,Christianity and
Judaism…if only people would take the time to learn and understand that…
instead of putting all their effords in hating eachother..
Here is a link to the stories of the lifes of the Prophets and Messengers of Allah/God
from Adam to our last Prophet…all in english,you can listen at the site
or download to your pc…
http://tinyurl.com/7ht9t23
it will enjoy listening to this i am sure of it…click on the drop window and,you will find info
about Sharia Law, principles of Jurisprudence,history of Islam..etc..ect..
this is a very good site for anyone who wish to learn about Islam..
the narrator is brother Bashar Shala,( he is a cardiac surgeon)
he explain in detail..
May Allah/God open your heart to the Beauty of Islam….
There is a huge difference in those religions. Christianity is the only religion that accepts and believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and is God, and has been here as a man over 2000 years ago and is coming back again. He is the only way to the Father.
@ Steve, i can see by your first few words that you have very limited knowledge about Islam,Christianity and Jadaism..no offense meant, just stating a fact.
If you read the Old Testament (the Torah) the books of the Bible,and the Quran,you will find that the Message of the Prophers/Messengers of Allah/God is the same..what changes is the law’s..why? because the difference in times..new things,new events etc..etc=new laws..About believing in Jesus,a muslim is NOT a muslim if he does not accept and believe in Jesus..And you are right,Jesus said :the only way to the Father/Allah is trough Me..meaning,follow and obey the Message the Father/Creator sent me with..He also said: i was not sent BUT for the lost sheeps=the house of israel= the jews..Jesus never claim Divinity,He is not,and never said “i am God..never…please dont take my word for it..but do read the Bible..even better,read the Quran..
read John 14:16-15:16-16:7-16:13..Jesus message its right there..do you not believe in what he said..?
in the Old testament read Haggai ii7,in read Deuteronomy 34:10..to mention few..i will reply later to your other posts Insha Allah
Look around the world..Your prayers for peace have fell on deaf ears.
Islam is a false religion. Allah is one of many Muslim Gods. he is not THE God of Christians. He is not the God of the Jews. He is not the creator of the universe or anything. If your Allah is anything, then why is it that 95% of Muslims world wide are dirt poor and illiterate? Your hidden agenda for the destruction of Christians and Jews and for the take over of the world by Shariah law is not welcome here in America. Americans and Christians alike will not accept your tyranny, threats, or polluting of God’s Holy Word, the Bible, by your satanic driven false religion. Read the Biblical account of Isaac and Ishmael, and you will see where Ishmael is not the chosen of God and he is the direct source of your Islamic movement which is by Biblical accounts, prohesied to be at odds with the line of Isaac. Seek Jesus.
False religion is CORRECT!!!
allah is the moon god and that’s all it is, a moon deity!
Allah is God. “Allah” means “God” in Arabic. There is no God but God (Allah) himself. That’s what Muslims believe. The fact that you think Islam has many dieties shows that you are sadly misinformed. So before you express your thoughts, with all due respect, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION. Islam says to respect others’ religions and their views. It tells us to respect even those who hate. So I will respect you, and not retaliate with bigotry against your religion in response to your comment. And whatever tribe is at odds with whichever- honestly, what does it matter?
@ Amna..
Salam Alaikum sis..
“lâ ilâha illâ allâh”= there is no god but Allah
Allah is the name of God
Ilah=deity=god
So His name is not ilah=”God”
But His name is Allah
If we say..”there is no god but God”..which god are we talking about..as you know there are many gods..
Salam Alaikum Wa RahmatuAllah…
asalam!
Please tell me if there are any Sufis in your community and their lineage? There is something about modernity and transcendence above dogma that seems very helpful for our times AND the ecumenical spirit of your community (from watching TLC). I would be grateful for the community’s feeling on this subject, insha’allah.
Alhumduliallah (please excuse my spelling),
PK Aziza in Denver, CO.
PS. I know only a few words of Arabic and Farsi
Again, tashakur!
Aziza..this is a Christian site not a muslim site.
About dearborn..i cannot say for sure,as i do not live there,but i doubt if there are any sufi there..it’s a predominantly Shia community.
one of these days these people are going to start killing the good people
so your one of the good people when your accusing people of doing something that you have no evidence of?
Islam has no hidden agenda, except to promote peace- that may be hard for you to believe because the media has distorted the image of Islam so much. Funny how history repeats itself: not too long ago, Jews were persecuted by Christians and (still are) accused to have a hidden agenda, too. What next- Hindus will be accused of having a hidden agenda? it depends on whom the us govt. and media hates at the time.
I wish to speak to Amna, who has posted comments.
I am a devout follower of Jesus. Jesus came to show God’s love, not His hatred. I am ashamed of some of the other posts I have read which claim to be written in Jesus’ name. You are certainly correct in asserting that the term “Allah” is simply the word “God” in Arabic; just as you, I am saddened by the ignorance of many regarding Islam, as well as regarding true Christianity. I have many Muslim friends and regret the hatred and fear with which many American “Christians” view Muslims.
The reason that I felt compelled to write this to you (as well as to others who might be reading) is to say that my belief in Jesus causes me to see you with neither hatred nor fear, but rather with compassion.
I have read both the Bible and the Qur’an entirely. In doing so, with a heart of seeking God, I have found truth in the Bible’s presentation of Jesus that I can find no where else. I hope that the hateful attitude of so many “Christians” will not prevent you from doing the same.
As any caring person who has found the source of water in the midst of the desert would want all those around to know how to find it too, I wish everyone would know Jesus as I know Him. Yet, regardless how you view Jesus, I will respect you as one created in the image of God and will continue to have Muslim friends, whether they ever…
I too am ashamed at some of the comments from so-called “Christians”, very sad
@ TDI…
Thank you…
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oh..Tom…you are indeed an empty and lost soul..
how can one person harbour so much hate in is/her heart..?
how can one live day in ..day out with a heart so filled with hate…
Who you are, comes across so vey clear..
and all i can say is that i feel sorry for you..
but i am so glad i do not kow you…
There is no hate in my heart,… I’m simply stating fact!
It certainly comes across as hate. I have removed your other comments. Admin.
@ Tom…when one speak without the right knowledge..
nothing is a fact…and yes,it is hate that shows in your words…
Tell me Tom..why dont you try to learn what Islam is really about..and not what others “opinions are of Islam”..?
I will guarantee you that if you ever will try,you will understand so much that your hate prevent you from understanding….
Dont follow the crowd..it is leading you astray…
For whatever is worth..knowledge is one email away..
Al_caswa@yahoo…
Everyone is always welcome..
All questions are welcome…
But i tell you Tom..and everyone..may Allah open your heart that you may see the straight path…
No one should live with such hate/turmoil inside..
And to that i say..Ameen..
Well @ Tom.. there was a reply by you (that at the moment i cannot find..) that read
“you are a fool,… I know what islam, It will not be in this Country long, it will be dispatched very soon!”
Well i rather be considered a fool by everyone in this world,
“did someone not came to you with My Truth ?”
and not been able that day to find excuses..because that day
none of us will be able to lie..
About Islam fading from this country,or from anywhere..
well, dont count on that,,Jesus came to the jews and the Jews only..telling them to….wise up because they were gone astray..
He also said that he will send the Spirit of Truth=Mohammad..(not the Holy Spirit) you will find his name in the Torah..
He..the Spirit of truth=Mohammad..(he never told a lie in His life) He will abide with you forever..etc..etc..
That makes Prophet Mohammad our=mine & yours=the Prophet for whole of Humanity ..
When Jesus came to the Jews,he did not bring any new laws, but he said” i came not to change the law of Moses,but to uphold the Law..that is why Jesus is the “Messenger” of God
and not a Prophet..
But Prophet Mohammad came with the Law and the Message from God..and the final Message and Laws from God are found in the Quran..
We dont have to believe anything..but just because we choose
not to..it does not mean that God will just say..oh well..you poor thing…i understand…
** line missing** it should read”Well i rather be considered a fool by everyone in this world than finding myself standing before Our Creator asking me..etc…
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2)The Message of the Quran is very clear…
Every Prophet came with different Laws, because everything changes as the time passes..therefore the new Law abrogates the Law that came with the previous Prophet.
But the Message has been the same from Adam to Mohammad..and Prophet Mohammad is the last of the Prophets..
Here is some knowledge for you and it is a fact! Here is your religion of peace,
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Tom, we try to let everyone have their say here, but this is a site which tries to share the love of Christ and encourage Christians to pray. I have complaints from both Christians and Muslims about your comments. I will pray for you too, but I cannot allow antagonistic statements here. Thank you!
@ Tom..i’ve read the now removed comment..so i will say this..
Tell me Tom..do you blame Christianity when a priest molest a child..or do you blame the priest..?
The west has been into the mid east region for centuries…
perhaps everyone could live in peace with eachother IF…we live here..
and they live there..IF..we live our lifes our way..and let them live their lifes their way..But we cant do that..there was a time when jews christians and muslim lived in harmony with eachother..thats when we were all smart…then man got greedy..
Iran 1950…as an example..Mohammad Mossadeq to mention one event that still cause big problems today because america was defeated..it was all about taking/do what was not ours to take/do..
What is the definition of terrorism= someone who terrorise others
If i was to come to your home and terrorise/kill your children/family..that would make me a terrorist..and it will be your right to defend yourself by whatever mean are available to you..for as long as you have to..
If you come to my home and terrorise/kill my children/family..
you would be the terrorist,and i would have the right to defend myself by whatever means are available to me..for as long as i have to..
So..who is a terrorist..is it me..or is it you..?
i guess it depends on which side you find yourself….
But you know Tom..Judaism,Christianity and Islam are..you can…
hmm..
@tom..2)
But you know Tom..Judaism,Christianity and Islam are..you can say..three peas in a pod..as the Messages and Laws in it, have been sent from God..and that is a reality that cant never changed..
So..who does know better..is it God..or is it us..?
Islam is no ones enemy..shame that to many are blinded by hate and
just cannot see it..
tell me Tom..what do you think about the Bible saying that homosexuals have to be stoned to death..?(this is a question)
either way Tom..may Allah remove the hate from your heart before it destroy your Soul..hate is a tool of Satan..
and in time it will destroy you..
And to that i say..Ameen..
The Pope is under attack. Once again, riots, demonstrations, and “retaliations” have sparked throughout the Muslim world. Major Muslim figures — political and religious — have condemned the Pope. The “Muslim Street” is burning his effigy.
What great crime did the Pope commit, exactly? He quoted history. In a speech about faith and reason, he quoted a debate between 14th-century Byzantine emperor Paleologus II and a Muslim theologian, where the former asked, “Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman — such as the command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” In the context of the Pope’s speech, the point in evoking this anecdote was twofold: 1) to show how even centuries ago, there was inter-religious dialogue — a good thing to be preserved; and 2) to show that there is no room for violence where faith is concerned.
Twice the Pope clarified that he was quoting. He also described the Byzantine emperor’s remark as “brusque.” Moreover, the Pope made it a point to mention one of the Koran’s most tolerant verses — “There is no compulsion in religion” [Koran 2:256].
Had the Pope really wanted to defame Islam, he could have quoted from the much more numerous “sword-verses” of the Koran, which most Muslim theologians are agreed have abrogated the more tolerant ones: “Fight those of the People…
you asked this question; tell me Tom..what do you think about the Bible saying that homosexuals have to be stoned to death..?(this is a question)
here’s your answer; people in the intellectual countries don’t stone anyone!! muslims in the middle east stone people to death every day that’s a fact you con not refute!
And how about the way they treat thier women? Pretty sad I think.
I love women and they should never be treated as property or slaves etc…
This is an apologists site to excuse the atrocities of Islamic oppression.
It is unbelievable that anyone can see what is happening today in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt as Christians are being threatened, murdered, churches burned…….and still tout that Islam is a religion of peace and harmony. The only time Islam will be peaceful is when all of it’s percieved enemies are dead. Mark my words. One day you will wake up and see muslims taking over America. They will break into your home with no regard to you. They will be intending to force you to convert on the spot…or be beheaded. You and your entire family will be slaughtered without mercy. Cuddle a snake and you will be bitten in the end.
i feel so sorry for you… you live if a fixed reality of your own and refuse to see what is really in the world. There are bad Muslims, there are good Muslims, there are bad Christians there are good Christians. There are bad people there are good people. One must explore both the good and evil sides of your world, but don’t let what you see on the evil side change your thought of rationality!
I agree. Be careful of what you don’t fully understand.
JESUS is KING!
Interesting thread. It’s good to see that there are a few moderate voices out there. Unfortunately the loudest voices on all sides are the ones of hate and intolerance. I was raised a Christian but have become an atheist because I’m convinced that as long as there is religion there will be hatred and wars. I envision a world filled with love, understanding and tolerance among all mankind but sadly religion will never allow that to be.
As a fellow christian we need to respect all people
note i am not claiming myself as a christian so if you fell as i threatin you or your page admin in any way feel free to delete it i will only just post more and more and more untill the truth is known…..
What roles do the Muslims have in the community and on the city of Dearborn, MI or the greater Detroit Metro Area? What jobs do they work? How many people work in a Muslim family? How much capital do they come with? Are they upper middle class or lower-middle class?
@Christman,
This post is from a reply to Amna above. There is “another jesus” which Paul and the disciples did not preach else we would not have been warned of the possibility of its’ occurring.
“You err. Surat Maryam 19:88 −19:82 speaks plainly that the allah of islam and Jehovah are not the same God. As well, the isea of islam and the Jesus of the Gospels are not in any way to be confused as speaking of the same individual.
The muslim denies the death, burial, and reurrection of Christ, and emphatically states He was not crucified.
The quran informs us of the erroneous belief of the muslim, that Christains believe the “Triune Jehovah”, to be comprised of the muslim allah, maryam, the quranic mother of isea, and isea, three ‘gods”. The quranic isea and the quranic maryam are said to be “associates “ of the quranic allah, which is not in anyway a Christain belief, though it is fraudulantly claimed as such in the quran’s pages.
The belief of the Triune Jehovah is considered “shirk”, and the unforgivable sin in islam. It immediately makes one kafir, and subject to death, where ever they may be found.
As evidenced by the recent clamor in Dearborn, Michigan, it is evident islam is not a religion of peace. The muslim in America is only behaving as sheep until they gain the strength of the lion, and then their true behavior will manifest as is occuring in Michigan and…
How sad that Dearborn is being hijacked by this hateful religion. I don’t think the good people of MI will stand for this in the long run.
What you know of Islam is by far nothing from the “true” Islam that makes people embrace it everyday. It’s very easy to believe what’s on the media and those people that you see killing innocents are not true Muslims even though they claim they are and what they’re doing is for the sake of God. People have been fighting and killing since the beginning of time, Hitler, David Koresh, and tons more, were they Muslims? No one labeled them “that Christian murderer” yet when it comes to a bunch of crazy radicals, a peaceful faith suffers and gets a bad name. You need to get informed from a reliable source before you judge anything or anyone. Peace be with you.
The Koran or Quran is on the internet people. Along with the history of Islam. Read it for yourself.
Amen
Reply to Shell…..Unfortunately 10% of the religious Islamic people are violent. How can a person be close to GOD and kill mankind who is made in the image of GOD. I would believe a person who is close to GOD would want to be more like GOD by loving people rather than by doing people harm. GOD gave people life. We should not play the part of being GOD by taking people’s lives away by killing. These 10% misinformed Islamic people give the rest of the 90% Islamic people a “Very Bad Image” of what Islam is about. Islam is mainly about being submissive to GOD. I would also view the Christian people and the Jewish people to be a people who are submissive to GOD. There are many languages and I don’t see how GOD can be called by one name only. The misunderstanding is mainly about GOD and who He is.
The Christian people describe GOD to be Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The Jewish people describe GOD to be J-h-v-h. The Muslim people describe GOD to be All-h. All three faiths believe there is only ONE GOD and that He made heaven, earth, the moon, the stars, people, and all creatures that are living.
Problem: 1. Mankind lacks knowledge 2. Mankind does wrong (called sin.)
Solution: 1. People need to accept the right knowledge of GOD, 2. People need to choose to always have the right actions to please GOD 3. People need to allow GOD”S indwelling Spirit to live in their…
‘The Christian people describe GOD to be Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The Jewish people describe GOD to be J-h-v-h. The Muslim people describe GOD to be All-h.’
You are wrong here, please do some more research.
Jesus Christ is the son of God indeed!
We Believe that Jesus, May God Be Pleased with him, Is a very Noble Prophet, He was Born of the Vigin Marry an imacculate birth, without a father, which is the first miracle of Jesus, He spoke at birth , another miracle, He healed the sick yet another mircale. He will return on the day of jugdement as well.
He is highly respected in Islam as are all the 24,000 Prophets .
Jesus isn’t respected at all in Islam. He had been recreated into a mere shadow of Muhammad.
Mohammed cannot be compared to Jesus Mohammed never preached love and forgiveness for the enemies
I was looking at buying a ford. No more. Muslims in that city hate Christians and Jews.
You didnt watch the video ..did you? We hate no one.
I was brought up in apostolic pentalcostal…son,god, Holy ghost follow the ten commandments…but like many I know hasn’t been easy to live right or to go by ten commandments…everyone seeks thier own salvation….Celled with a muslim in prison and we got along and got into a fight over something stupid! Met many different people in prison…very dangerious crazy individuals…Glad I never killed no one! Devil or evil thoughts and not contolling one’s actions has gotten a lot of people in trouble, pain ,and misery….following a bad preacher can get one in trouble or following a bad leader can get people in trouble…keep your mind open to different faiths…follow people causiousely, trust people so far, and always try to do right!
I visited Dearborn during an Islamic conference and I loved every single part of it. God is amazing. Oh and we believe in only One God .
Muslims know their religion well and would be highly unlikely they would ever leave their religion of Islam. There is just no hope for your effort. Muslims believe only in the Old Testament and not the changed Bible of today. Islam is a clear and straight path-unchanged. We just want you as peaceful neighbors not there to try to change our beliefs. You will do better to just do good deeds where humanity needs it. Like feed the poor, house the homeless, heal the sick.
I know Christians love their faith and believe in it and its not for me to change you even if I feel you are on the wrong path. This is how you should behave with Muslims. You would be foolish to think any Muslim would want to convert to Christianity. Better to live in peace and just not try with that whole thought.
I am in a mission to Muslim people class and there has been thousand of converts from Islam to Christianity. It’s not impossible. When the truth is revealed, people are changed.
“Dearborn is one of the few places in the US where one can actually hear the call to prayer publicly over a loudspeaker.” – why is this so? why is this releigion able to encroach peace & quiet on the people of the USA? I feel sorry for the next generation of US citizens
I feel sorry for the people of Dearborn
seems to be nothing but double standards in favor of islam
Muslims speak of peace, but lack it in their own heart and mind. They can faithfully perform all five pillars of their faith and still not know when they die if they will be accepted by Allah. Their religion is a works-based system where they continually try to appease a wrathful god through repetitious rituals. In their religion there is no concept of God as love; only judgement and wrath.
Better wake up Dearborn
I’m ashamed at my fellow Americans. When did it become that one religion was less than another? When did we become so hateful? If your excuse is 9/11 you need to stop living in the past, we lost many great and wonderful people there but that doesn’t give us the right to condemn an entire race. I doubt half of you have ever been to Dearborn let alone talked to a Muslim. They’re friendly, go to school, participate in the community, and lead lives just like the rest of us, but you find the need to shun them and look down on them because of their religion. “Better wake up Dearborn” “I feel sorry for Dearborn” Keep your sympathy. We don’t need it nothing is wrong. We’re culturally diverse and guess what my neighbors are Muslim and they are the kindest people I know. Why do people always seek to “convert” those of another religion? What is so wrong about being diverse? If you’re going to make an ignorant comment about false knowledge, research it before so you don’t look like an ass.
@Jessica – Maybe when one religion teaches that the followers of all other religions are those that must be converted or subjugated by Islam (Quran 8:55, 9:28-30, 25:44, 48:28-29, 98:6, etc), which is what Muhammad and the first”righteous caliphs” did during the foundation of Islam. Unless Islam has a new prophet or a new Quran, it’s difficult not to be suspicious.
Islam is not a race.
I do think it’s best to treat an individual with respect, and make sure have some accurate information. Being hostile will probably just shut down communication. After all, even Abu Darda was reported as saying, “We smile in the face of some people [non-Muslims] although our hearts curse them”!
For all Muslims who worship Islam, truth be told, everyone of you will not achieve Heaven (Paradise) This goes also for some Christians and other faiths as well. (Matt 7:14) Reason being, Jesus is the only answer to get to God. There is no other way. I know you Muslims don’t agree with that. I understand. If you don’t want the only way to go to Heaven, that’s your choice. I will not force it upon you. Matt 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-29 and John 3:17:18.[edited for content / brevity, admin]
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When you quote our Bible, read the whole context. I know you expect the same from the reading of the Quran. It would be unfair, if not unwise to strip a segment or some reference, whether it be of the Quran or the Bible. All the references I gave you, read the entire chapter, if you must. You will get a different story. All of your references read all alone will give a story you want and if that is all there was to say about it, I would say you may be right. Interpretation can change if you strip out of a story or strip words out of a verse that you want us to only read but if you read it all…..things look different or they become understandable. The comforter is not Muhammad. It is the holy spirit. If Jesus does not go away (meaning die on the cross, which is another fallacy the Quran teaches. Muslims do not believe that Jesus ever died on the cross. Some other look-a-like did. Surah 4:157-159), the comforter will not come. And this comforter will reprove the world of sin through Jesus Christ. John 16:7-16. Read the whole thing. Jesus is clearly not talking about Muhammad. I’ve been down this road many times. There are many others. You really haven’t learned what Christianity really is. I do know this. The Quran strips the total essence as to the true meaning of what Christianity truly is which is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. To say that Jesus never died on the cross totally destroys the core of what Christianity stands for. That right there is exactly why your (Islam’s god) and my (Bible’s God) are not the same being.