Thursday, March 18th, 2010

Dating Muslim Men

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He’s handsome.  He’s charming.  He’s got good moral beliefs.  He treats you like no other man has treated you.  Why wouldn’t you want to date him or maybe even marry him?  Think again.

These are all questions I asked myself a few short years ago when I met the man of my dreams.  He was all I could have asked for and so much more.  We connected like I never had with another human being!  It was amazing!   At the time we met, neither of us was actually practicing our faiths but both came from strong backgrounds, he Muslim, and I Christian.

Things I know now that I wish I’d known then…

  • People change.   The man I married was not serious about his faith, but about a year into marriage, he was suddenly praying 5 times a day and needed to abide by the (MANY) rules of Islam (including no kissing during Ramadan – as long as the sun was up!!).
  • In some ways, there is no such thing as “the individual” in Islam.  Everyone is part of a family, a people group, and/or a community.  Decisions are made as groups, not individuals and pressure is put on by families.  Families have an extremely strong influence on their children – even from across the ocean!!
  • Once married, the man is in charge and expects to always have his way, in everything.
  • In Islam, it is okay for a man to marry a Christian woman because it is expected that he will convert her (and be blessed with many virgins in paradise as a result!! – I can’t find the reference for this… but I’m sure there is a reference in the Qu’ran – if you can’t find it, feel free to delete it) – she may not be allowed to practice her own faith.
  • That in order to be married “legally” in Islam, you have to be married in the Mosque – my husband , after 1 year of thinking we were married, went as far as refusing to sleep with me until we got married in a mosque.  I cried every night.
  • Things get extremely complicated and hard when children are in the picture.  Circumcision or not?  Baby dedication or not?  Go to church or mosque?  Explaining to a young, confused child why daddy doesn’t believe in Jesus the same way that we do.
  • Breaking up a dating relationship is very painful and hard to do… but marrying a Muslim will lead to a lifetime of heartache.  Marriage is not to be taken lightly – it is covenant between you and God.  It is not meant to be trial and error, as our western society often suggests.

What can a person say to a woman who is dating or thinking of dating a Muslim man?

  • Be lovingly supportive – being judgemental will not help at all.
  • Pray, pray, and then pray some more that the Holy Spirit will take hold of her heart and re-claim it for Jesus.
  • Be honest about your apprehensions, try to introduce her to another Christian woman who is already in a marriage relationship with a Muslim (contact 30-days to find one if you don’t already know one).
  • If she’s asking you about it, she’s questioning.  Questioning is good.  The answers need to come from God, not from you – wait on God with her.
  • Despite all the best advice and all the right answers, she might go ahead and marry him – keep loving her and do not give up on her.
  • Dating a non-believer of any sort is a symptom of a deeper problem – rebellion of the heart.
    Know that God is light in our darkness, healing in our pain, comfort in our suffering.   He is stronger and bigger and more powerful than any temptation we have here on earth.  By His strength, we can choose to obey that still, small voice in our hearts.

“Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits at God’s right hand in the place of honor and power.  Let heaven fill your thoughts.  Do not think only about things down here on earth.  For you died when Christ died, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God.”  (Colossian 3:1-3, NLT)

A great website for understanding what the Qu’ran says is:

http://www.answering-islam.org/ Authors/ Fisher/ Topical/index.htm

Editors Note: we have the offer of a Christian women wanting to help other women married to Muslim men. Feel free to leave comments and questions below in the comment section for now. We can always start a Marriage forum if we get enough replies.

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35 Responses to “Dating Muslim Men”
  1. me says:

    u know, i have a fren..who marry a christian lady in UK.
    She converted to Islam and now she is devoted to Islam.
    She wears hijab etc… performs prayers 5 times daily… and a very very very good heart.
    She’s very nice. Her husband is so loving. Everyone in her family is so loving and friendly.
    She has no problem. Never have any problem.

    I guess, u’re the only one with problems…. problematic…

    • sanna says:

      hiii gr8888 to know that u hv a friend who is married to a muslim and is happy….it has gvn me a lot of comfort…as iam in love with a muslim man…and he loves me a lot and wants to marry me …

      thanks

      • Chickie says:

        Bottom line is: Are you prepared to convert to Islam from Christianity? If not, do not continue with this relationship because he cannot marry a Christian. Personally I would not convert so broke it off. Please also read this site Loving a Muslim: http://www.domini.org/lam/ – I wish I had listened to them. He is still hassling me after a year!

        Remember what God told us: Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18

        Read this book too: From Jihad to Jesus: An Ex-Militant’s Journey of Faith – he sums up in a basic way the differences between islam and Christianity.

        Another thing to remember (yes, they deny it but wife beating IS allowed in Islam):-

        Quran 4.34: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them”

  2. S says:

    honestly, if you are true to the religion you would never have this problems. You know that love dies out? Do u know that money runs out? Do you think that looks stay forever? In a marriage only your commitment, honesty, faith and loyalty does. So, if you only marry for other reasons, you’ll only be causing yourself your own problems. No matter what religion that person is devoted to.

  3. jone says:

    this i thank just your problme just so don’t tell ather about your problem if is really

  4. iman says:

    Do not stereotype muslim man. Allah did not say family come first or we can’t decide individual. That just outrageously untrue it is personal preference ,attitude and personal judgment of the person. Not that Allah say NO dont do this dont do that.

    Futhurmore,

    What i’m trying to say here is there might be some chiristian who also have your husbands character. Does a christian man change when they got married ? Hey every man changes.

    Let me correct you .

    1) It dosent take a married man to have virgins in heaven. EVERY muslim man married or not will have virgins all over him in heavens. UNLESS, he loves his wife SO much and they will meet again there.

    2) To be legally married you have to “Nikah” that is having a Ustat( priest) to confirm your marriage. I married in my own home. I call the ustat over to my place. Thus its not about the place. Its about having the ustat there when you marry .

    3) Circumcision or not? Baby dedication or not? Go to church or mosque?

    1.a ) Circumcision, so many other religion man does that also. It keeps our dinky clean. why not ? Allah will only ask us to do something that is beneficial. He keeps takes care of us very very well and detail.

    1.b ) Baby dedication . It has nothing to do with religion. Dedicating your life to having a baby is individual and personal. I mean i dont understand what it has to do with marrying a muslim man and having that problem.

    The fact is this. Your husband did the wrong thing from the start. He married a non muslim women. Eventhough it’s love or what. Wrong is wrong. Secondly you said something about Holy Spirit to find him . I think his holyness( equal to christian holy spirit) in islam has found him. He repented.

    Actually i should ask you from the start. Does he drink beer ? does he eat pork (pig) ?
    If he does than forget about what i just said, there is no point protecting my fellow brother if he cant show a good example to other religion.

    Anyway. Your problem you said in your post above not only happens with Muslim man. Its too general to classify it as muslim. You should go post at some other sites that helps dating women with guys not just muslim guys.

    In your case it just too bad your man is a muslim and he behaves like that. We can find a christian man in a snap of our fingers with all that same problems stated above too.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/ Authors/ Fisher/ Topical/index.htm

    In that website, its a misleading way of Islam understanding. Its a fact that a non muslim who studies the Quran without a proper teacher will get the wrong understanding of it. Even more , a muslim also needs a right teacher.

    The author only points out the bad stuffs about Islam and humans only likes to hear about the good stuffs in life. I am not suprise that the bible has been edited so many times. Get it ?

    While the quran has not been edited. Nobody can edit it. It just wont sound right. and Allah protect that book until now, there is no editions nor additions. Its stays the same.

    • Pieter Pretorius says:

      Iman and the others are trying to make out that the writer of the post is being unfair and does not understand Islam correctly. But I know from experience that there are differences between the Sunni, Shi’ites, Sufis etc. I have a suspicion that Muslims from different countries also accentuate different things. And then there is taqiyya.
      So where does that leave us?
      I live in South Africa. A lady friend of mine has had a similar experience to what the lady writing this post is talking about.

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  7. Alicia says:

    Hi, I am currently in a serious relationship with a Muslim man who does not wholly practise his religion and whom does not come from a strong Muslim background. However, he has grown closer to his older cousin in the last 6 months. His cousin practices their religion strongly and has suggested he partake in Ramadan. He fasted last year, we still saw each other after sunset (we don’t yet live together). This year, his cousin has suggested he do not see/be in love with anybody during Ramadan. My partner has decided to participate in Ramadan and has asked not to see me during the whole month of Ramadan. I am apprehensive, as my understanding of Ramadan doesn’t see it bad or sinful for us to see each other. We don’t need to practise anything sexual and last year we didn’t. I would like more information. If anyone can help me, please do. Thanks.

    • Tammy says:

      Not a good sign, LEAVE.

    • Tammy says:

      If he loves you as a muslim man he should include you not exclude you in the holiday. He should want to marry you and help to lead you, his wife, to Allah. I have seen Christain women lean the Muslim religion and fall in love with it and be blessed to have a husband who will help them and guide them. This must be a choice of your and not a choice for a man. HIs devotion will continue with Islam and it will be a VERY difficult time if you don’t share the religion and even if you do it can still be very hard. It is a great deal of change. I wish I could tell you all I feel about this but I could never type it all.

      • Chickie says:

        I do not understand what the deal is with Muslims. My ex has jsut come back again and said he wants to marry me BUT I have to convert. I told him I won’t ever convert. I would never in my heart beleive Mohammed is anything but the false prophet we were warned about in the Bible. I could also never walk away from Jesus. Jesus of the Bible and Isa of the quran are not the same. I also don’t know why they seem to think their religion is somehow better than anything else in the World. Why also is he prepared to walk away from me because of it! I do love him but hate mohammed and allah is the devil. He even says he is a liar and deceiver in the quran. So frustrating.

        Here are some differences:

        Quran: Allah is unknowable
        Bible: God is knowable

        Quran: Allah is nonpersonal
        Bible: God is personal

        Quran: Allah is not a spirit
        Bible: God is a Spirit

        Quran: Allah is not a Father, nor Jesus the Son of God
        Bible: God is one existing in three persons, not three gods, but one God

        Quran: Allah can do anything with no limitations
        Bible: God cannot go against His immutable nature e.g. God cannot lie.

        Quran: Allah is capricious
        Bible: God is trustworthy

        Quran: Allah has no feelings towards man
        Bible: God loves man

        Quran: Allah doesn’t personally enter human history.
        Bible: God came incarnate to bring about man’s salvation.

        Quran: Allah provides no saviour or intecessor. You’re on your own. No concept of grace.
        Bible: God provided a Saviour through His manifold grace.

        How can anyone change their beliefs for a man. Yes, it sounds good but cults do and the devil is very tempting!

        • Mo says:

          Chickie, you made some good points, but I think you have also missed the similarities in our faith (I am a follower of Isa al-Messiah). The best way to build peace is with the bridge that unites us. The Qur’an says Isa is the breath of God. The Bible says God breathed life into Mary. Unfortunately, when we say He is the Son of God there’s a visual of God having had sex with Mary. We know that isn’t true, but that’s what’s been understood. The Qur’an and Bible both say Jesus was born of a Virgin. Both say that come judgement day we will be standing there with Isa.

          I don’t believe in dating someone from another faith, let alone marriage. But when in friendships we could use our common beliefs as a way to talk and share more of the Truth. And remember, how we live our lives is a testimony to our faith. Are you living a pure life, one that invites others to this awesome God of ours?

          • Chickie says:

            Mo – I would love you to read this book From Jihad to Jesus: An Ex-Militant’s Journey of Faith – he sums up in a basic way the differences between Islam and Christianity – much better than I could ever do in a small space here.

            Also, this site is run by an ex-muslim pastor – please read it gilead.ws

            Muslims in my experience do not share so called “common beliefs” to them it is islam and nothing else so debate with Muslims is never possible.

            Am I living a pure life? Yes, I am.

          • Mo says:

            Chickie, if I lived in the US, it might be easier to find this book, but it sounds like it’s coming from a militant (ie. extremist) point of view. That is not what most followers of Islam are. You can’t throw everyone in the same category. Just like all “Christians” are not the same. I have a number of precious friends who are Muslim and we do share a common belief in many things. Why is their thoughts that Islam is the right and nothing else any different than your approach? People have pointed out above about the better than tho approach that some followers of Christ have…they aren’t far from the truth…let’s show them what being a follower of Jesus really is…we don’t need to judge, God has that taken care of.

            You say you hate Mohammed and that Allah is the devil. Wow, those are strong words. To hate someone…if you could look at the Qur’an in a chronological order, not the way it is presented, I think you would see a man who started off right. Hate…this is just such an ugly emotion. Hate the sin, love the sinner…but to hate a person. Yikes! After all of my studying, and it’s definitely not exhaustive, but it has been a number of years, I would say that…wait, let me start with a question.
            Who is the God of Abraham? Don’t three faiths (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) all claim Abraham is the father of their religion? So then that would mean that the God of Abraham is the same as Allah. I have no problem believing this. I see that we each recognize different characteristics of God/Allah. And pray for a full revolution to all (those in the western world are missing a part of who God is too, because we put Him in a box and don’t allow Him to be anything more).

        • Chickie says:

          Mo – I hope you see this – there was no reply link below your comment.

          Anyone could claim something but where is the proof that their claim is true. It is Isaac that has a covenant with God, not Ishmael as islam teaches. Right there it proves that allah isn’t God since he hasn’t kept an eternal covenant. YHWH is the name of the God of Abraham, yet islam NEVER USES it. It’s just allah. The truth that is tainted with lies is now a lie. Muslims do NOT follow the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham cherishes Israel and islam’s god doesn’t. The God of Abraham refers to us as His children and allah doesn’t. The God of Abraham does not allow sin to come to Him. The wages of sin is death. Jesus paid that price for us. Allah allows sin, sometimes temporarily such as with drinking alcohol and mutah. God doesn’t say ok sin a little or just during this war but then stop, but allah does. So islam’s claims to Abraham are spoiled, corrupt and have no validity.

    • sanna says:

      dont worry, its normal u need to explain ur man that if he meets u its nt bad during ramzan ,he can meet u aftr the fast or roza is over……then its fine and u can meetv ina public place that will b fine i guess ,done run away frm it just hold on to it …and u can mk him walk acc to u ….dont say anthing against his religion bt say what is right …..need to explain him properly with examples…

      all the best
      sanna

  8. Chickie says:

    I have recently ended a relationship with a Muslim man because religion became a huge problem for us. He went from being a non-practising muslim to what I could call an extremist in the space of a month. He now prays obsessively, will only eat halal food and became really aggressive. He still won’t leave me alone and frankly I am so relieved to be away from him. I wasn’t attending Church much when I met him and think it was God’s way of getting me back on track. Not all muslims are like this but all muslim men have the potential of becoming like this as soon as the islamic switch turns itself. He is one whom I will be praying for during Ramadan in the hopes that he finds Christ in his life because deep down he is a wonderful man when not in muslim mode. No offence intended.

    • bob says:

      [The rest of this comment has been removed as rude and inflammatory. I leave the following line as someone responded to it. Ppl, when you reply to others, they are people too. I enjoy seeing discussion here but do not be insensitive. Thanks, Admin / TDI] [PS. please keep comments short, it is very hard for others to read long comments anyway.]

      U WONT FIND ISLAM IN ANY MUSLIMS… BUT U’LL FIND ISLAM IN THE QURAN….

  9. Elizabeth says:

    I find the article very interesting.

    Well in the past,-a few years back, i have had an older muslim man who expressed interest in me, he was wealthy but that didnt impress me or attract me to him anyway. He wanted to pursue something serious with me but i firmly declined his romantic advances towards me. Dont get me wrong i respect him for who he is. But I am a devout christian and follower of Jesus. The bible, God’s word did state clearly that i am not to be involved in a relationship(dating/marriage) with a non-believer-muslim, hindu or buddhist or whatever religions he belong to. I know that if i go ahead with the relationship with a non-believer( i m not directing that to muslims only!!), my relationship with Jesus will become lukewarm and my heart will become hardened, because if you look at it this way, from this perspective- Imagine this scenario: you, as a christian are standing on the table, your bf/husband (a non-believer, is standing on the ground, next to the table- you as a christian will be pulled down to the ground much easier by your non believing bf/husband from the table on which you are standing and you will fall to the ground, much quicker on the same path or level with him. But however you as a christian, will find it a struggle to pull your non-believing bf/husband up onto the table, on the same level as you..do you understand what i mean? i m giving you this picture to help you see that a nonbeliever can easily get a christian off her faith, and turn her away from the heart of God… but it may be hard for a christian to get her bf/husband saved!! Unless she persists and perseveres in prayers for many long years… Again, i am not directing this to muslims…. i mean non-believers-who does not go on the same spiritual journey with God… as the christians.

    I respect all muslims…they do have good moral values and i admire their loyalty and faithfulness to their Allah, their god!! I love them and see them the same way our heavenly Father sees them. Muslims are also created in the image of God…. God loves all cultures!!

    But i do not believe that a relationship can work if both practises different faiths and are not on the same level on the spiritual journey with the ONE TRUE LIVING God!!

    Certainly i do not believe in missionary dating or trying to get your partner on a discipleship project!!

    It may work for others, and in some cases, the non-believer did finally come to a saving knowledge of God’s grace and salvation in Jesus Christ after many years of persistent and fervent prayer of the christian partner!!

    But may i challenge you, dear muslims, to see things from a different perspective- i m not trying to convert u anyway. But i hope u can come to an understanding that christianity isnt a religion- it is a lifestyle- a way of life- more important, as christians, we have a direct personal, deep and intimate relationship with God the Father, through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the door which opens the way for us to be reconcile back to God, the Father. Jesus Christ is the mediator between man and God-because we are all sinful man, yet Jesus Christ is the perfect redeemer for all of us- the perfect lamb for the sacrifice for our sins.

    I dont want to bible bash you muslims because thats not my aim or purpose or hidden agenda. I respect you for who you are, and appreciate the way God has created you…He loves you!!

    One thing i want to share with you is that God Himself has spoken to me- He revealed His heart to me- what Islam means to Him!! His deep love for all muslims!!

    So please let us seek peace and be in harmony with each other, rather than hatred. God does not want that- He loves all cultures and all people groups….

    Thats all i want to say!! God bless you all, my dear friends (to all my muslims friends)

    God’s peace be with you all….

    God bless :)

    Love, Liz

  10. Christy says:

    I am not a Muslim (yet), yet your post makes me very, very angry. It doesn’t sound as though you have any respect for Islam — you ridicule their principles and rules! You sound so, so selfish — he wouldn’t touch me during Ramadhan, he needs to pray so that I can’t go somewhere……

    Please. This site makes me SICK. You go around devising strategies to convert people as though your way is superior. This plotting is disgusting.

    • Tommy says:

      Christy,

      Why is there so much hate in islam and with muslims? Read what you just said in a rational frame of mind. I pity you that you have so much hate in your heart. How incidentially did you come to read this site if God wasn’t turning your heart to him? Why also do you say “yet” – what is holding you back – usually people just say that shatada without evening bothering to read the quran? Read the site http://www.apostatesofislam.com – they are all ex-muslims and find out the truth about it.

      Nobody is “plotting to convert” anyone. We are praying to God to for the sake of muslims. Whatever God does in people’s lives are up to God not us. Why do you think people have dreams of Christ and not mohammed? A friend of mine and his friend were injured in Iraq and were waiting for an ambulance to collect them. His friend had a full on conversation with an angel – they are now both practising Catholics. If islam was Gods “final religion” surely that angel would have told them about islam. He didn’t – he told them about Jesus Christ and Christianity.

      Please consider the above before following the false prophet that Jesus warned us about.

      Finally, praying for people is not plotting.

      Peace +

      • Christy says:

        Assalamu aleikum.

        What’s holding me back? Good question. It’s because I live in Hong Kong, where there really aren’t that many Chinese Muslims. Besides, I’m only 19, and I can’t tell my Mom about my attraction to Islam because she’ll freak out. (19 sounds old enough to make my own choices to you, but don’t forget Chinese parents aren’t the same as Western ones.) I used to be an atheist but am slowly changing my mind because I see so much truth in the Qu’ran.

        “Praying for people”? Not as simple as that. You’re praying to CONVERT people — what makes you think Christianity is so superior to Islam that you hope to win them over? Yes. You think the BIble is the truth. I respect that. But Muslims are also equally convinced that the Qu’ran is the truth. No one is more superior to anyone else. You sound as though you pity Muslims because they are “lost in Islam”. That, to me, is pure arrogance. (By you, I mean this site actually, not just any one person). This site, full of your strategies and all that, really sound like you’re targeting people and treating them as PREY. That scares me.

        I understand this site is (mostly) meant for Christians who want to work on others, and it’s not, you know, the average gospel website. Maybe that’s why the tone is so condescending (and therefore repulsive to me). But then again, we speak most boldly and honestly when in our own comfort zone, so the tone may just perfectly reflect that sense of superiority you have…… I wish more Christians are like my Christian friends. They never sound like this. It is exactly this tone and way of preaching that makes Muslims turn on the defensive (well, that applies to pro-Islam people too like me).

        The ultimate truth will be unveiled on Judgement Day, and until then — well, our belief is really just a belief, no matter how convinced of your faith you are. The issue is open to debate until then.

        (Forgive any grammatical mistakes because Chinese is my first language, not English……Uh!)

        • Tommy says:

          I would ask you to do one thing and that is to read this book before you take that final step (via Amazon) “Islamic Jihad, Conversion, Imperialism, Slavery

          Praying for people is a good thing and if they come to Christ that is God’s will not ours. Flying planes into buildings and blowing yourself up in the name of your religion is forcing your beliefs on others.

          Christian martyr – I will die for what i believe
          Muslim martyr – YOU will die for what I believe. Big difference don’t you think?

          A friend of mine has written this site for muslims so please read it www. calculatedrisk blogtownhall.com/

          • Christy says:

            Terrorists are NOT Muslims! They are twisted people doing things in the name of Islam but actually the Qu’ran says very clearly Muslims CANNOT do terrible things like that. Just because they put on veils or have said the shahadah doesn’t mean they’re Muslims — you have to do what your religion preaches, too. For example if this crazy Christian starts slaying people in a racist frenzy, would you still call him a proper Christian? No! Because Jesus, according to your Bible, had a message of love. So please do not confuse what Muslims do with Islam. Muslims aren’t perfect. Muslims are’t God. Some so-called Muslims are evil. But Islam isn’t.

            I clicked on the amazon link you posted above. Terrorism is terrorism. Just call it that. Jihad doesn’t mean killing people. Jihad is a struggle to stay on the right path of God — it can be fighting personal temptations, or it can be speaking out against social injustice. War is the narrowest of meanings. Some extremists interpret jihad as terrorism but well, it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s right!

            Here’s a parallel story:

            Please read this: http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_jihad.htm
            Other interpretations of “Jihad”:
            Both the Judeo-Christian Holy Bible and the Muslim Holy Qur’an are large religious books, containing a great range of material dealing with religion, spirituality, justice, laws, love, etc. And they also contain references to violence, hate, murder, war, and even genocide.

            Please read this website: (www.religioustolerance.org/isl_jihad.htm)
            It would be quite possible to assemble passages from the Bible — particularly the Hebrew Scriptures (a.k.a. Old Testament) which describe genocide, rape, execution of non-virgin brides, murder of homosexuals, torture of prisoners, the rape of female prisoners of war, murder of a family because of the act of the father, the regulation and condoning of human slavery, and many other acts, cultural traditions, and laws which are profoundly immoral by today’s religious and secular standards. If all one read of the Bible was a collection of such passages, one might conclude that the Bible is an evil document that promotes violence, unethical behavior. One might even conclude that it should be banned as hate literature.

            Similarly, it is possible to scan the Bible for passages relating to humans’ love of God; love of humans by God; striving for justice; supporting widows, orphans, the sick, the imprisoned; love and concern for fellow humans; spirituality; and may other acts, cultural traditions, and laws which promote a loving, moral and ethical life. If all one read of the Bible was a collection of such passages, one might conclude that the Bible is a precious document indeed — one worthy of emulating.

            So how would YOU feel if a Christian just seize the really bad bits of the Bible and proceed to carry out hate crimes, and then the rest of the world labels the Christian world as such? It’s really not fair when you label Muslims that way based on your own interpretations.

            I hope my language serves to make my point understood, but hey, it IS hard talking about a difficult issue in a second language. I’ve tried my best. :)

          • bob says:

            why when a muslim kill someone becoz they’re protecting theselves or their country…they are call terrorist?
            but a christian/jews….like US Army and those in palestine… bomb here and there… no one call them terrorist? they are the ones who disturb the muslims country…. but then muslims are the one being called terrorist? that is so UNFAIR!

  11. Tommy says:

    May I just say Christy – you are the one who has brought anger to this page not us. You do not seem to have any problem writing English either.

    I did not say all muslims are terrorists but “moderate” muslims still deny that it was muslims who flew planes into the Twin Towers on 9/11. There are a lot of stories of muslims celebrating the attacks. So, when you see that much hate coming from muslims (yes they are muslims) yet there is no condemnation from other muslims what would you think?

    I hope you read the quran and hadiths yourself with an open mind and see what mohammed really did in his life. Do not just believe what people like Naik and Deedat say because they do not tell the truth. Most musims have never read their own books and just rely on what they are told at the mosque.

    One question though: Apart from mohammed’s own words where is the proof that anything was in that cave and that he did not make it all up himself? Even Aisha suspected that allah was a bit too accommodating to his wishes and that he was making it up himself. Even he said you need 2 witnesses for something to be true.

    • Christy says:

      Hmmm. Isn’t it interesting how you use capital letters for “Christianity” and “Jesus” and “Christian” but never for “Muhammed” and “Islam”? I only noticed this when I read over your previous posts. I thought it must be a typo, I mean, who the heck pays attention to grammar/spelling when you’re online?! But this is really consistant over your posts……You know I get mainland Chinese TV channels at home (in Hong Kong)? Whenever they talk about Taiwan and Mr Ma Ying-jeou, they use quotation marks for the word president.

      This is really an endless debate, I don’t want our “personal” exchanges to hog the space here. I mean this is not a forum, so this will be my last post here. Good riddance you may think, lol!! So this is my final message to you:

      Honestly, think about how you would feel if one day you stumble across a website with details and strategies regarding the conversion of Christians to Islam, telling Muslims to pray for Christians to leave their religion and embrace Islam, in a very condescending tone and obviously reeking of a sense of superiority.

      I wouldn’t like that either, no matter which side is doing it. “Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder. You are not a watcher over them.(Quran 88:21-22) So, I’m gonna shut up now and you’ll never hear from me again (well at least not on this site!). If you post a reply I’d still read it, but don’t expect another rebuttal because this can go on forever.

  12. Chickie says:

    Here are three books on Islam that everyone should read. How anyone can be muslim after reading them is beyond me:-

    amazon.com: /Islamic-Jihad-Conversion-Imperialism-Slavery/

    amazon: Understanding-Muhammad-Ali-Sina/

    amazon: /Cruel-Usual-Punishment-Terrifying-Implications/

  13. Chickie says:

    Typical response from a Muslim. You all resort to threats and name calling – you all know that muslims are leaving in droves and it scares you hence the anger.

    You say: “U WONT FIND ISLAM IN ANY MUSLIMS… BUT U’LL FIND ISLAM IN THE QURAN….” You are right there. Muslims are the biggest victims of Islam. I have read the Quran and the Hadiths (unlke most Muslims) and find nothing in it that is nice. [Sentences removed for content by admin]

    If the truth is in the Quran perhaps you should take Ali Sina’s Challenge and prove him wrong http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm – ALL of his accusations about mohammed are backed up with passages from the Quran and the Hadiths. What do you have to lose? Nothing – only $50,000 to gain for proving him wrong.

    Have a good weekend everyone!

  14. Muslim Man says:

    This article is a joke the blatent attempt to spread hate and mistrust is painfully obvious the link given at the end answeringislam is one of the biggest hate sites around.

    I seriously doubt that the writer of this article is even a woman

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