Muslims almost always object to using the title “Son of God” concerning Jesus. The main reason is that many Muslims believe the phrase “Son of God” implies that God the Father had sexual relations with Mary and that Jesus (the Son) was born of this union. Some understand the Christian Trinity as consisting of the Father, Mary and Jesus. Christians actually do not believe this and like Muslims we find the idea repulsive and blasphemous. Unfortunately this is often the Muslim understanding of the phrase “Son of God.”
The Deity of Christ
The Qur’an does say that Jesus was born of a virgin. Various Muslim traditions ascribe miracles to Jesus such as healing the sick and raising the dead. However, the Qur’an states that He was no more than a human being, a prophet like all other prophets. Islam thinks that Chrisians are trying to elevate Jesus to be God. Yet, the reality is that Jesus is not a man whom we are trying to elevate to be God; rather He is God who humbled Himself to become man.
Islam refuses to ascribe deity to Christ and rejects the doctrine that Jesus is the Son of God.
In Christianity, the title, “Son of God” indicates the majesty, honour and glory of Jesus (2 Peter 1:16-18). The title is tied not only to His divinity but also to His kingship. Nathan’s prophecy in 2 Samuel 7:12-14, one of the early prophecies of the Messianic King, speaks of David’s descendant as God’s Son. “When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me.” It is certain that the early believers understood Jesus’ role as “Son of God” as being related to kingship: “Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel” (John 1:49, 11:27, 20:31 and Romans 1:1-5). The messianic king’s appointment was described as begetting a son (Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5). You can find a longer article on this subject on our site here “Explaining-Son-Of-God”.
Prayer Starters:
- May God bring real breakthroughs in this area of Muslim misunderstanding. This subject is one of the most significant hindrances for Muslims coming to Christ. Believers need wisdom in addressing this issue.
- Pray for Muslims to have a biblical understanding of the phrase “Son of God.” Meditate on and proclaim in prayer the texts cited above.
Special Section: Prayer for the Peoples of Sudan — The Guhayna people
The 1.3 million Guhayna are a largely nomadic people living in Central Sudan. Not much is known about this people group other than that they are Sudanese Arabs who trace their heritage to the Bedouin who wandered the deserts of Saudi Arabia centuries ago.
The Guhayna embrace rigid codes of honour, loyalty and hospitality, the strong role of men in society, the value of children, subservience of women and the five pillars of Islam. To confess Jesus as Lord is not well accepted and has serious consequences. Pray that fear of persecution from Islamic relatives will not hinder the Guhayna as they consider the Gospel. No one is actively reaching this people group.
Pray for missionaries and funds so the Guhayna can hear about Jesus.
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Cont’d part 9
War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
Insects do NOT have four feet
LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
Righteous live?
Ps.92:12: “The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree.”
Isa.57:1: “The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart.”
Who killed Saul
SA1 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
SA1 31:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him.
SA1 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all his men, that same day together.
SA2 1:15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died.
Who bears guilt?
GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?
ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Part 10
For or against?
MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(default is against)
MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
(default is for)
LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
(default is for)
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign? (ANOTHER FACTUAL MISTAKE)
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chron 22:2 (ANOTHER FACTUAL MISTAKE)
Who was Josiah’s successor?
Jehoahaz – 2 Chron 36:1
What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial? (ANOTHER FACTUAL MISTAKE)
scarlet – Matthew 27:28
purple John 19:2
Part 11
Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt – SO NOW we read the Biblical god CURSES animals (I THOUGHT SOMEONE IN HIS COMMENTS SAID IT WAS OTHER WISE)
GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Curses of God in the Bible to the one who does not Obey God (SO MUCH for THIS “LOVE”)
and so MUCH for the one who suggested that God in Quran Curse and “MY GOD DOES NOT CURE”
WHAT A RIDICULOUS COMMENT:
Notice that it is the Lord God Himself the one who curses, the one who punishes!
SEE HERE MY FRIENDS
Deut. 28:15-69.
15- “But if you will not obey the voice of the LORD your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16- Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17- Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18- Cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19- Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20 -”The LORD will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21- The LORD will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
22- The LORD will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
Part 12
25- The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies; you shall go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them; and you shall be a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.
27- The LORD will smite you with the boils of Egypt, and with the ulcers and the scurvy and the itch, of which you cannot be healed.
28- The LORD will smite you with madness and blindness and confusion of mind;
29- … and you shall not prosper in your ways; and you shall be only oppressed and robbed continually, and there shall be no one to help you… (Deut.28:15-29)
ANSWER YOUR OWN SCRIPTURE MY DEAR FRIENDS.
Note:
This is not an arrogant post, This is only a wake up call and a warning!
Quran 4:116. God forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth (all) other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).
6:61. He is the irresistible, (watching) from above over His worshippers, and He sets guardians over you. At length, when death approaches one of you, Our angels take his soul, and they never fail in their duty.
6:62. Then are men returned unto God, their protector, the (only) reality: Is not His the command? and He is the swiftest in taking account.
6:93. Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, “I have received inspiration,” when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, “I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed”? If thou (O Muhammad) couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! – the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),”Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against Allah, and scornfully to reject of His signs!”
AW U QUOTED
3:64. Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but God. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims
AW – U HAVE ADDED ”MUSLIMS” – YOU ABROGATE WITH YOUR OWN HANDS. THIS IS WHAT MOST MUSLIMS HAVE DONE
Yes this is how muslims have in the past tried to convince people by quoting these words at the end of their discourse, yes dear aw, i have been thru.
It is enticing, but GOD WILL NOT SAY COME TO TERMS coz this is from mohammad. Look at it deeply – O people of the book and remember the jews, christians are called pople of the book and WE MUST COME TO TERMS WITH ALLAH
NOW listen to this SURAH 5:51 -O ye who believe! TAKE NOT the Jews and the Christians for YOUR FRIENDS: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth NOT A PEOPLE UNJUST.
CHRISTIANS WHO DO NOT KNOW THE QURAN ARE LURED INTO SATANS TRAP AND THIS IS HOW MANY MUSLIMS ENTRAP COZ CHRISTIANS DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE QURAN AND HADITS AND THEY ALSO DO NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT PREISLAMIC HISTORY AND LIFE OF MOHAMMAD. MOREOVER, WE SEE THAT NEITHER DO YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM BUT YOU HAVE FATHOMED NOT THE SPIRITUAL VALUES THAT GOD HAS REVEALED.
YES ALL RELIGIONS TEACH THAT GOD FORGIVES OUR SINS, BUT HOW THE BURDEN OF SIN ON MANS HEART IS WIPED AWAY IS UNKNOW TO MANKIND THAT IS WHY MUSLIMS WHO ARE SEEKING TO KNOW THE TRUTH FIND TRUTH ONLY IN JESUS, AND ONLY WHEN THEY READ THE BIBLE – THE TRUE WORD OF GOD AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD – THE EMANNUAL THE TRUTH IS REVEALED.
Yes you do quote sweet words but dear aw your very actions deceive you coz we have proved that you BOW AND PROSTRATE AND WORSHIP no God, but to the Meteorite as you have yourself confirmed, you bow to the black stone which were housed 360 idols as confirmed by muslims, you bow to as what you have presumed is the place where abraham took ishmael to kill issac and you are proud to say that YOU WORSHIP THE ONE GOD – Well those who have eye proves what you worship, indeed.
And how wise is your god telling to come to terms (SO WHATS IT WE MUST COME TO TERMS OR ACCEPT QURAN? & YOU ALSO QUOTED A VERSE FROM QURAN WHERE YOUR GOD ALLAH IS ASKING MANKIND TO CHALLANGE HIM?) – A GOD ASKING TO CHALLANGE HIM. THESE TRUELY ARE FROM FABLE OF THE OLD AND THIS IS WHAT THE ARAB THEMSELVES CONFIRMED)
while you end by quoting Mathew 7:7 ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE but Jesus ends it saying Mathew7: 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, HOW MUCH MORE SHALL YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVE GIVE GOOD THINGS TO THEM THAT ASK HIM.
Oh how you can deceipt dear AW, yet Allah tells in the quran that He told SATAN to BOW TO ADAM and satan refused? SO WHO IS ALLAH?
That is why Jesus asked WHO DO PEOPLE SAY I AM. PETER SAID U R CHRIST SON OFTHE LIVING GOD – YES GOD IS SPIRIT AND GODS SPIRIT SPEAKS THE TRUTH.
Aw
Your desperation is driving you to the extent that what you are projecting to us as being true to yourself is certainly proving untruthfulness in your penning.
From the very first time i saw your post you quoted the words when jesus asked that question why do you say i am good. I DISCERNED THE MALICE OF THE EDEN SERPENT.
Now, certainly you are a convert like that of carols standard as it is evident but the elect will be deceived say the Lord. If Adam can be deceived why cant you be deceived.
Firstly the origins of your prophet, his lifestyle his ”mental capacity” his aptitude as a normal human being when one reads the hadits which are HIS OWN SPOKEN WORDS and the book SPEAKS FOR ITSELF and those who have eyes can read it very clearly in black and white. But ofcourse you can lure people like poor adam. If God can send adam out of the paradise prepared for mankind then you can imagine what is your state of mind. The teachings of Allah the god that mohammad professed and the teachings of Jesus are totally in contradiction.
Dear AW – THIS IS CONTRADICTION (THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF JESUS and THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MOHAMMAD) they are ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTIONS GOING AGAINST GOD HIMSELF, but what you have penned down listing contradictions are NO CONTRADICTIONS ALL ALL and you are proved WRONG how you viewed Judas’ account which you came on deceiptfully. I will add as I said before the Gospels’s multiperspective records allows us to combine the life and teachings of jesus and give us a better and larger picture from different angles but the truth of the matter is we have witnessess recording the last supper, crucifixtion and resurrection – THE CRUX & TRUTH OF MISSION OF JESUS CHRIST THE SAVIOUR OF MANKIND.
YOU ARE THAT FALLEN ANGEL OF ALLAH – Allah told Satan to worship Adam and when Satan did not worship he became a jinx. AW – YOU CANNOT PROVE ALLAH IS GOD, BUT WE PROVE THAT JESUS IS GOD – ASK YOUR MUSLIM BROTHERS.
AW,
I pray OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, not my will but yours be done.
Did u not say bible is altered? so all contradictions U say are NOT ALTERED? Praise the Lord.
AW- bible has gone thru fire testing from its inception but yet IT WILL LAST UNTIL THE END OF TIME, while quran was never tested (YES CONSIDERED PRESERVED LIKE SHAKESPARES)
Revelations:THE DEVIL WAS BOUND FOR A 1000YRS & HE IS NOW LOOSENED.
many are lead astray by the devil & many will be until the coming of our lord and saviour jesus christ Amen. But, Jesus the TRUE light of the world leads all those who seek THE TRUTH.
jesus said ASK & U WILL RECEIVE,SEEK & U WILL FIND, KNOCK & IT SHALL BE OPENED TO U & WHATEVER you ask of MY FATHER IN HEAVEN he will grant. No matter how you look at JESUS and HIS TEACHINGS WE ARE LEAD ALWAYS TO HIS FATHER.THOSE WHO KNOW JESUS KNOW GOD & yr quoting Mat1:16 & Luke 3:23(NO CONTRADICTION U DO NOT KNOW HISTORY & GENEALOGY) – TRULY proves DEVILS VILE WAYS.
MANY HAVE GONE FROM US JUST LIKE AW. Many said THESE ARE HARD SAYING & LEFT THE LORD, BUT DEAR OUR LORD DID NOT CALL THEM BACK – YR FREE WILL.
but if muslims LEAVE ISLAM many are persecued, jesus clearly prophesised PERSECUTION OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM.
Yes Mohammad calls for challange. In one place he says to bring a verse and in another he says do not question, I DID READ TESTIMONY OF THE PREACH FROM AZHER UNIVERSITY & (RECONFIRMED) WHAT MUSLIM PASTOR ARE TOLD TO TEACH this is your beloved bro. mohammad the SAME ONE WHO LEARNT FROM JEWS & CHRISTIANS-HIS ACTIONS DECEIVE HIM & HIS GOD.
I can quote quran contradictions- but I WILL NOT. ANIMAL SACRIFICE, DEVIL URINATING & LOTS MORE as confirmed by HIS OWN MOUTH, you cannot justify and NEVER REFUTED, coz U DO NOT KNOW MOHAMMD’S LIFE TRUTHS.
TRUTH – JESUS IS APPEARING TO MUSLIMS TODAY & WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO & U WILL CONTINUE TO DENY, so no use justifying chapters NAMED BY YOUR GOD AS COW, CATTLE, SWORD, ETC.
AW
U Loose again. Tks Bro.Submit for your posts(Jesus NEVER said he is the Messiah)- (yes jesus confirmed HIS SUFFERING DEATH AND RESURRECTION. may god be with you always.
AW wrote this(Theologically speaking, the concept of Holy spirit was added to the Original Doctrine much late) + so many other points, U JUSTIFY & SUBMIT TO MOHAMAD of his actions.
Your actions proofreads:U FACE IT & WORSHIP 5 TIMES A DAY + SPILLING SHEEPS BLOOD + CIRCILING AROUND IT.THROWING STONES AT DEVIL WHICH IS NEXT TO IT AS LONG AS MUSLIMS LIVE & MOON ON MOSQUE DECEIVES U. (want catholics to come to terms with you) just bcoz mohammad kissed it n spilt blood.
While you are trying to prove that bible is tampered, you fail to see that YOU ARE QUOTING FROM TODAYS BIBLE and YOU WILL QUOTE MY BIBLE AS LONG AS ISLAM SURVIVES.
Sharia Law convicts you of lieing because there is no witness and proof, the authors of quran in fact are COWS, CATTLE, SWORD, SPOILS OF WAR and what you may a COPY PASTE BOOK.
Sura al-Ma’ida 5:116 – Allah speaks of Two Gods as well, besides talking about jesus mary and god, and aw is going at length to prove substantiating the catholics perspective, THE DEVIL IS FUTILE INDEED.
NO christians worship 3 gods or 2 gods or mary. So its mohammads words of course – WHO IS GOD FOR MUSLIMS? An allah or mohammad? MOHAMMAD indeed.
Ttoday if anyone speaks ONLY against mohammad they will KILL and KILL they will even in the name of ALLAH. So MOHAMMAD IS GOD and Allah is just an henpeck namesake who is an abstract thing of the past & AW pressing on to prove allah is god.
Look around the ends of the earth WHO IS KILLING HUMANITY IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD?
I was even told by severl muslims that they will kill me if i say anything against mohammad – SO THEY TRUELY WORSHIP MOHAMMAD COZ THEY MADE GOD OUT OF MOHAMMAD.
WE WORSHIP ONE TRUE LIVING GOD WHO REVEALED HIMSELF TO US BY THE OVERSHADOWING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.
“Face in the ‘Meteor”(1)
“Life in Mali begins to stir before daybreak. By sunrise, the motorbikes, carts and cars are crowding the two narrow bridges to cross the muddy Niger River from one side of the capital city, Bamako, to the other. One recent morning, those who were awake at 5 a.m. stared at the still-dark sky and the last remaining stars. Vast sections of Bamako have no electricity in the suburbs and the population is accustomed to finding its way in the gloomy, dusty nights of living on the edge of the great Sahara Desert. But on this occasion, there was an unusual light in the heavens.
“As the sky grew lighter, suddenly over the horizon, people could see a large white light moving south to north. It was surely not a comet or meteor, because it seemed too large, too close and it was moving at a speed that was easy to follow. Was this some kind of UFO apparition, or an aircraft with searchlight? Nobody could remember seeing anything like it in his or her lifetime. By daybreak, the light in the sky was the talking point of every conversation in the marketplace, the offices and schools.
“A Malian evangelist began to hear from neighbors who had seen the light that it held another puzzle. More than one eyewitness confirmed that in the light they had clearly discerned the features of a human face. But whose face?
“One eyewitness had just watched the Campus Crusade film, ‘Jesus’. For him, the face had the same features – the kind, compassionate expression; the beard; and the countenance of the person in the film. It was, without a doubt, he said, the face of Jesus in that mysterious, inexplicable light streaking across the Muslim nation of Mali.”
contd…1
Mali contains Timbuktu, the legendary “ends of the earth” city. We must wake up and realize that the Gospel is being preached in the uttermost part of the earth, and so soon the Lord Jesus will return to Jerusalem!
When I share the Gospel, I usually start by asking Muslims if they have ever experienced a dream about Jesus. It is almost inevitable that they have seen Jesus—amazingly—and so this makes proclaiming the Gospel that much easier.
You can argue doctrine all day with Muslims about the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection and make little progress. But when Jesus reveals Himself directly to the souls of people, they are easy to convince that He is alive — and that He is not just a prophet, but Lord!
I am the evangelist of the Empty Tomb! I have looked inside the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth, and I have Good News– it is empty! Religion boasts many prophets, but they are all entombed in their graves. Only the tomb of Jesus is empty, because He is alive and very active in the Muslim world especially.
So Jesus is calling many Muslims to Himself in dreams and visions exactly as the prophet Joel predicted would happen in the Last Days. He beckons, “Behold Me,” in the night watches. Some are afraid. Some try to ignore Him. But He pursues them relentlessly and mercifully in their dreams and also in open visions.
In remarkable ways and on a seemingly unprecedented scale in fulfillment of Bible prophecy, the Lord is showing Himself alive! (Acts 1: 3)
1Abdullah
Abdullah was a faithful Muslim. He lived just an hour’s drive from Mecca, prayed in the mosque five times a day, practiced all the Muslim beliefs, and, of course, regularly visited Mecca. Like many Muslims, he was taught that Christians had evil spirits and that he must keep away from them.
One night Abdullah dreamed he was in hell, burning in a blazing fire. The next morning, very worried, he prayed to Allah, ‘I have done everything well; why would I go to hell?’ During the following days he grew increasingly troubled. One night he was sleepless because of fear, when at midnight a bright light lit his room and a voice said, ‘I am Jesus. Come to me. I am the way to heaven. Follow me and you shall be saved from hell.’ Abdullah fell on his face crying and said, ‘Please help me find you.’
Within days Abdullah found a Christian Bible and began reading it. He soon committed his life to Jesus. Filled with joy, he started sharing his new-found faith with his family and friends. By his country’s law, however, a Muslim who leaves his faith must be killed. Abdullah’s family turned him over to the authorities. He was jailed and tortured for months.
When Abdullah refused to deny Jesus, he was taken to the Sheria Court, where the most dangerous criminals are tried. The judge said to Abdullah, ‘Deny your new beliefs and you will walk out a free man; if you don’t, you will be beheaded.’
‘I will never deny Jesus,’ Abdullah replied, ‘If you kill me I will go to heaven, but my blood will be on your hands.’ Abdullah was sentenced to be beheaded the following Friday.
1Abdullah….
He was returned to jail and bound hands and feet. On the day of his execution, however, no one turned up. Next Monday morning the guards removed his chains saying, ‘Run you demon, we do not want to see you again.’ Unable to believe his ears, Abdullah asked for an explanation. The guards said that on the day Abdullah was to be executed the judge’s son had suddenly died. As a result the judge reversed his decision.
Like most Saudis, Abdullah was from a wealthy family and had everything he needed. Not only was he rejected by his family, he had no source of income, and could not get a job because he was considered a betrayer. All of his identification papers were taken from him and he could have been arrested again at any time. And yet despite this pressure Abdullah continued to live for several years in Saudi Arabia, actively telling others about Jesus
“Mohammed and the Bus Driver”(1)
The story of one Malay’s trip to Mecca and the strange incidents that occurred there
Mecca! The man we will call Mohammed shivered with excitement. To think he was really here, at the heart of Islam in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the great Prophet whose name he bore–the dream of a lifetime!
Although Mohammed served as an imam (pastor) at his local mosque on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia, he had never before made a pilgrimage to Mecca, as all devout Muslims must do at least once. This first hajj in May 1992 fulfilled Mohammeds commitment to the fifth and last pillar of Islam. He went full of expectation that this trip would represent the spiritual climax of his life.
On his first day in Mecca, Mohammed signed up for a bus tour of some outlying holy sites. The next morning he arrived early for one of the many regularly scheduled departures, and he sat right behind the bus driver to get a good view out the front window. He was glad the coach did not fill up and seats nearby remained empty.
The bus shifted into gear and headed down the road toward the city of Medina and the shrines they would visit. In Medina the Prophet Muhammad had established his theocratic state after fleeing a murder plot in Mecca in a.d. 622. With Medina more than two hundred miles north of Mecca, Mohammed had plenty of time to strike up a conversation with the bus driver.
mohd & bus driver(2)
Above the drone of the engine they exchanged chit-chat, using English as a common language.
“Yes, this is my first hajj,” Mohammed told the dark-haired driver whose face framed deep, penetrating eyes. “Im from Sumatra, a Malay–one of the largest Muslim people groups in Southeast Asia.”
The driver swiveled his head sideways enough to see Mohammed. “You know, you really shouldnt have spent all your money coming here.”
Mohammed figured he had misunderstood. He leaned forward to catch the drivers words. “Excuse me?”
“Coming here on pilgrimage is really a waste of money,” the driver repeated unmistakably. “All the rituals seeking to get into Allahs good graces–when you stop to think about it, Islam is full of hypocrisies.”
Stunned, Mohammed could only listen as the man went on to point out issues he had never considered. For over an hour they conversed as the bus rumbled on through the desert.
“The truth is,” said the driver, turning to look straight at his passenger, “Allah wants to know you personally, as a friend, not just at a distance through rituals. Islam cant give you that kind of relationship.”
With their destination approaching, the driver slowed and downshifted to park at the site. Everyone disembarked, but Mohammeds head spun with new, unthinkable thoughts. In a daze he followed the tour group, yet now everything seemed confused.
What did the driver mean? Where did he get such a perspective? How could I possibly run into a person like that in the Holy Land!
mohd. & bus driver(3)
After the tour Mohammed hurried back to meet the returning bus, eager to get a seat by the driver and resume their conversation. But when he boarded, he looked up to see the face of someone new. His spirits sank.
“What happened to the earlier driver?” he asked the man behind the wheel.
He got little more than a shrug in response.
Mohammed found a seat and stared out the window. During the trip back to Mecca, his heart burned with the words of the man on the morning bus. He felt he could recall the whole conversation from beginning to end.
Mohammeds hajj lasted more than a week, but the excitement and anticipation he had brought with him fizzled like air from a leaky tire. Everything he saw and did etched fresh questions and doubts into his mind. As he continued his pilgrimage, he scanned all the buses lined up at each tour site, but never saw his driver again.
Back at home Mohammeds family wondered why he had not returned bubbling with joy from his spiritual zenith. In the solitude of his thoughts he pored over the events of his hajj. He could not forget the drivers words or his face. Yet Mohammeds spirit grappled with perplexities. If Islam is not the true faith, what is?
A few days later Mohammed dropped by the home of a neighbor we will call A-Ching, a Chinese Christian, to borrow something. A-Ching welcomed him inside with customary Indonesian hospitality. As they chatted, Mohammeds eyes lit on something hanging from A-Chings wall. There within a picture frame he saw the face of his bus driver from Mecca!
Mohammed gasped, pointing to the picture. “A-Ching! Do you know this man?”
mohd & bus driver(4)
“Yes, I do,” came the reply. “Thats Jesus. You know Him as Isa.”
Mohammed sat still as a stone. Isa! The second-highest prophet in Islam–the Christians Messiah! Could it be–?
When he found his voice, he spoke up quietly. “I have a story to tell you, A-Ching.”
His neighbor, just as shocked at the tale, listened in silence. When Mohammed finished, he began to choke up, suddenly overcome with conviction of his sin. A-Ching explained the truths Jesus had declared about His own identity and purpose.
“Mohammed, you can receive salvation as the free gift of God through Jesus Christ,” A-Ching told him. “You can have a personal relationship with God.”
Mohammed prayed and committed his life to Christ. When he returned home, he gathered his family and spilled out the whole account. Awed at his story and his transformation, they, too, confessed Jesus as Lord and Messiah.
A-Ching introduced Mohammed privately to the pastor of his local fellowship. Then, for their own protection, a network of believers spirited the new convert and his family to a safe house in another city where they could receive biblical teaching without risking retribution from angry Islamists.
Mohammeds trip to Mecca indeed proved to be the turning point of his spiritual life. But he never expected supernatural revelation to come through his bus driver.
From this testimony you will see that Christians are afraid to even speak about jesus to muslims, in muslim countries, because of dire consequences. DO WE WORSHIP THE SAME GOD OF ABRAHAM? You will also see that what you have given as per quran is empty justification.
Please permit me, THIS IS HIS OWN TESTIMONY:
God’s Love Toward a Radical Muslim
by Mohd. Saleem
I am no more than an ordinary man who has been spending life as if knowing nothing. I was born in a wealthy Muslim family in Pakistan, but when I was a few months old, I was carried to Saudi Arabia by my father.
When I was about six, my mom passed away. As I grew older I had so many questions like almost everyone experiences at some point in life. Why am I here? Where did I come from? Is there really a God and if so where is He? Why doesn’t He talk?
I have been studying the Quran since I was around 12. Later I also started reading other kinds of Islamic books like the Life of Prophet Mohammad, Hadiths, etc. I have been Wahabi or Ahlae Hadiths like most of the Saudi Muslims are. (Osama Bin Laden is also one of them.) They are very extreme and I have been one also.
I had been taught that Islam is the only way to Heaven. I was told, “If you do this, you’ll get so and so blessings in Heaven,” and “if you do that, you’ll get so and so blessings in Heaven.” I became an extremist for the religion Islam.
Well, I believed what I was doing was right, and if it is right, then there is no risk in digging. I had read about the prophets in the Quran and Hadiths, but Jesus Christ was the only personality that really touched me more than any others.
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I found out that Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I very much wondered why they believe that. I started searching for Jesus Christ more and more. I had a Christian friend who used to study with me. I asked him one day if I could have his Bible. He was surprised and said “Sorry, you cannot have it.” I assured him no one would ever know, “It will remain between me and you.”
But my father came to know that I read the Bible and that it was in our home. He was very angry and he knew I have only one Christian friend. So he took me with my uncle to this friend’s home and warned them saying, “If you do this again and try to preach Christianity to a Muslim child, you’ll have to suffer a lot and you know it. We will complain about it to Islamic Police (Mutawa) and you could be exiled from this country forever.” I was a bit worried. I shouldn’t have done this to my friend’s family.
My father warned me, and so did my uncle, to pray five times a day as I used to pray, and one time in the mosque. I kept going, and many times when there was no one in the mosque I used to cry and ask God to show me, “who is this Jesus and who are you?” Often while the Imam (leader) of the prayer was praying in Arabic (as it’s compulsory to pray in Arabic only), I did not give much attention to what he was saying. One day I was praying in the Mosque, during Zuhar’s prayer (noon prayer). I wasn’t thinking of Jesus Christ that time. I saw an image of a handsome person on the floor where we bow our heads in prayer. I was shocked. I never saw such a thing before. It was kind of an image on water. I heard in myself that this is Jesus Christ. This is the Lord!
I was worried what and how could that be, as I have learned in the Quran that God is only one, yet Christians take Jesus as the Son of God and also call Him God. This is the greatest sin which God can never forgive. I could not leave without completing my prayer just for this reason.
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So I completed it and began thinking about it later. My hunger to know about Jesus Christ grew more and more.
I did not have a Bible with me anymore. One day I was passing with a friend through shops and I came to an internet shop. I was on the Net on yahoo.com and there came a thought in my mind: type “Who Is Jesus?” I did, and got lots of web sites. I was amazed that I could search about Jesus Christ there.
A web site provided very nice information about who Jesus is, and prophecies about Him in the Old Testament, and how amazingly they are fulfilled in the New Testament.
I was very much amazed. I never knew how and why to accept Jesus Christ. I was very happy to visit this site. I kept coming to this web site often. Some of the other Christian web sites were blocked as you may know very well. One day I thought of giving Jesus a try and so I said the salvation prayer on their web site. After that I also started thinking, “Did I do the greatest sin? I will never ever get to heaven,” and so on.
I also had been seeing that same image of Jesus Christ often when I used to go in the Mosque to pray. One day I was walking toward a market using a short cut. It’s a bit lonely area. Not many people cross through there. I was walking and had been thinking and asking God if what I was doing was right and should I be Christian or Muslim? I heard a voice behind me saying “My son, you are on the right path.” I was again amazed. I had never had experienced these kinds of things.
But in all I had been going through, I became happier when I came to know the Holy Bible, which says many things. For example it says,
“Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you saying, ‘This is the way; walk in it.’”1
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And it says,
“For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”2
God has been faithful to me!
I had learned in the Quran that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were living in Paradise until they committed sin. (This is the same in the Bible.) But in the Quran I was told they were forgiven of their sins. I asked my Muslim friends, “If they were forgiven of their sin, then why did God being so merciful and gracious make them leave the garden? Does it mean He did not forgive them?”
If, according to the Quran, the Torah (Pentateuch), Zabur (Psalms) and Injeel (Gospels) are the Word of God, then how can they change? If they have changed, as many Islamic scholars say, then who changed them and why? They claim that the Bible has changed and they feel so happy in that, but to know the truth we need to be humble and seek to find out if everything we believe is really true. Where would I be if I did not search my Bible and ask God’s guidance for my life? The God of the Bible replies like no other! That is reality!
In the Quran it says that some revelations are abolished or forgotten.3
What does that mean? In fact it’s exactly the opposite in the Bible.
In the Torah, Numbers 23:19,
“God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.”
And in Zabur (Psalms) 31:5,
“Into your hands I commit my spirit; redeem me, O LORD, the God of truth.”
And in Injeel (the Gospel of John) 17:17,
“Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.”
Never did I find a single verse in the Bible saying that God lies or that He changes His verses and leads people astray.
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In the Quran we are told to believe in all prophets and all the revealed Books of God which includes the Torah, Zabur, Injeel and even Daniel. If we do not believe in them, that they are the words of God, we are not Muslims. I have been praying this prayer before sleeping when I was Muslim. It can be read in Surah Al-Baqara 285. If we read the Quran we have to read the Bible also which can never change.
Many measures and efforts have been taken to destroy the Bible from this earth but they have never been successful.
That proves that God who revealed knows very well how to keep it protected. I challenge all who say that the Bible has changed to prove it to me with evidence. Hundreds of scientist have studied it and have confirmed its clarity and what has been written.
The prophecies made in the Bible are being fulfilled in our very day. These are some of the most amazing things and confirm who is the author of this book. The very creator of this world knows what is going to happen tomorrow and the coming days. He does not predict it like a psychic but knows it!
It’s also amazing to understand the differences between Jesus and Mohammad. In the Bible it says:
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God!”4
Why is Jesus Christ called the Glad Tidings, the Word of God, held nearest to Allah, but nothing is mentioned about Mohammad as such?
Surah Maryam
He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
The Quran tells that there will be a revelation for mankind and mercy5 — revelation and mercy to all mankind even after Mohammad. Why? Why is it ordained? What kind of mercy to the world? The Quran does not answer that. Muslims will have to read the Injeel (Gospel) to find out about God’s mercy for mankind.
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In the Injeel (Gospel), Mark 10:46-47, one blind man cries out to the Lord Jesus Christ saying:
A blind man, Bartimaeus, was sitting by the roadside begging. When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!”
Also in the New Testament:
“Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”6
“Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In His great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.”7
The Lord Jesus Christ is not the mercy that was meant for people of His time or of His area only. God made Him Mercy for ALL MANKIND EVEN AFTER MOHAMMAD.
Mohammad and Muslims have been praying every day many times in their much-devoted prayers for guidance, and amazingly the last and greatest of Islam’s Prophet kept praying for it till his death.11
Was Mohammad on the straight path?
Is Islam the straight path?
I encourage all Muslims to ask him or herself is it really true what they are doing to get to heaven?
Many times in the Quran we come to know that Heaven is the place for whomsoever God wills. Here is one:
Surah An-Nur 14
Were it not for the grace and mercy of Allah on you in this world and the hereafter a grievous penalty (In Hell) would have seized you in that ye rushed glibly into this affair.
Surah At-Taub 111
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their good for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise)
What do we understand of it?
Surah Al-Maida 35O
Ye who believe! do your duty to Allah seek the means of approach unto Him
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I pray God will give hunger in each of us more each day and we will turn to Him for our Spiritual food and our salvation! I have used many Quranic verses to show my Muslim brothers and sisters to know what it actually says for us to do!
I do not believe heaven is a place with a price tag on it, which can be bought by our deeds, but only through God’s Mercy and grace.
I pray God will give hunger in each of us more each day and we will turn to Him for our Spiritual food and our salvation! It is made so simple like never before. Come to Him with a humble heart. Seek His Face and find yourself in His arms!
We become a new creation in Christ. It was written long ago, but today it is still true! How our minds and our thoughts change because the One who created us knows how to fill that missing gap and to reinstall our spiritual life in the Lord Jesus Christ who is the only Way to Him!
So Brothers and sisters, open your hearts and minds to accept His amazing Love. Allow the Lord Jesus Christ into your life and see what happens next. The greatest adventure in the Universe begins. Whenever I have been in trouble He has been there and comforted me like no one ever could. He has shown me that He’s alive forever and He loves us very much.
I praise and thank God for sending His Son the Lord Jesus Christ to die for me and for all of us, and making the marvelous and glorious bridge to reach Him! To understand how to begin a relationship with Him, please see: Knowing God Personally.
THE INTIMATE EXPERIENCE A MAN COME ACROSS WITH THE TRUE LIVING GOD WHO IS YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER WITH HIS PEOPLE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THIS WORLD UNTIL HIS COMING TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD.
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Let’s examine some of the contradictions in the Quran.
The Quran differs whether a day is 1000 years, or 50,000 years see sura 32:4, and 70:4.
On the day of Judgment the infidels attempt to conceal something from God Sura 6:22-23. But in Sura 4″45 we see that the infidels don’t attempt to conceal anything.
In sura 56 the people who follow Muhammad will be “a crowd of the former, and few of the latter generations” verse 14. But in verse 39 it says that the people of Muhammad will be “a crowd of the latter generations.” Other translations have “multitude” as the word instead of “crowd.” so which one is it, a few of the latter, or a crowd?
Commenting on the Exodus, God told the Israelites, “And it was said to them, “Dwell in this city, and eat therefrom what ye will, and say “Hittat” (forgiveness) and enter the gate with prostration’s; then we will pardon your offences, we will give increase to the doers of good” (7″162).
Now look at this verse about the same subject: “And when we said, ‘Enter this city, and eat therefrom plentiful at your will, and enter the gate with prostration’s, and say, “Forgiveness,” and we will pardon you your sins, and give an increase to the doers of good:’ (sura 2:55). Now if the Quran is without error how do you explain the difference of these two statements? This is god talking to the Israelites, and both times God is quoted wrong. One could understand if this was two people witnessing what was going on and wrote it down, but this is not the case. the Quran is dictating what happened in the past.
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5. In sura 22:40-41 God says that people who are persecuted because of believing in God can take up arms and defend themselves. But in Sura 66:9, God commands to make war with people who don’t believe.
6. Because Judaism and Christianity were divided into sects, the Quran says that they were not of God, see Suras 30:30-32; 42:11-15.
Yet Islam is divided into many warring sects, and therefore Islam is false as well, according to the Quran.
7. In sura 11:45 we read that Noah’s son “was among the drowned,” that is he died in the flood. But sura 21:76 we read that God saved “all his kinsfolk from the great calamity…”
8. At first Muhammad was nice to the Christians and the Jews. The Quran says that if they try to convert you to “unbelief” to “forgive them.” (sura 2:59, 103). Then Muhammad says to slay all unbelievers (sura 5:55;9:29-30;66:9).
9. There are conflicting views about how many days of creation. In sura 41:8-11 the Quran says that it took 8 days to create everything (4 days + 2 days + 2 days = 8 days). but it only took 6 days according to the Bible (Gen. 1:31). Also in the Quran in suras 7:52, 10:3; 32:3-4 it says God created everything in 6 days. Then it says that everything was created in a twinkling of an eye, see Sura 54:50 So the Quran conflicts with itself and the Bible.
10. In the creation of Adam, God told his angels to worship Adam, see sura 2:32. This breaks his own law , that you should only worship God, see sura 2:77
All over the Quran we read that God is AN ABSOLUTE ONE. Sura 112 says, “he is God alone: God the eternal!He begetteth not, and He is not begotten; and there is none like unto him” It also says that, “And they say God has a son.’ No! ..sole Maker of the heavens and the earth!” (sura 2:111; 4:169). Problem is why does the Quran say that, “Have WE not made the earth a couch? And the mountains tent stakes?…And built above you seven solid heavens” (sura 78:8, 11)
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“And as to the earth, WE have spread it out…” (sura 50:7).
“WE have not created the heavens and the earth and whatever is in between them in sport: We have not created them but for a serious end” (sura 44:39).
Question: If God is alone, has no son, sole maker of all things, they deny the Trinity saying God is one not three (see sura 5:77). So the question is who is “WE” IN THESE VERSES? Not Just in these verses, but this is all over the Quran. it talks about how “we parted the sea,” and “we made a covenant with Israel.” Some Muslim scholars say that this is the plural of majesty, like in Genesis 1:26, where God says “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.” Problem is, recently historians are starting to discover that the plural of majesty was never known among the Hebrews, and it came to be during the Medieval times of the kings of England, in Europe. So who is “we?” Was Muhammad claiming divinity, even though he denied it?
11. To drink wine (sura 16:67; 2:219:4:43), or not to drink wine, (sura 5:92)?
12. Did Jesus die (Sura 19:33; 3:55), or not? (Sura 4:157-158).
13.One part in the Koran God says that you need a mediator to talk to him (Sura 42:51-52), and that it “biffitteth not a man,” meaning all men. In another place it says that Moses spoke directly to God, (Sura 7:143; 4:164).
14. In one place it says that Abraham was not an idolater (Sura 3:67; 6:62). but in another place you see Abraham committing idolatry (Sura 6:75-78).
15. In one place Muhammad is told not to bother, in converting unbeliever (Sura 2:6-7), for their fate is sealed. In another place Muhammad is told to attempt their conversion by peaceful means anyway (Sura 24:54).
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16. Muhammad first said that it does not matter where you are facing to pray because God is everywhere (Sura 2:109). Then he changed his mind and said that we should pray towards Jerusalem, and then changed his mind again and said we should face Mecca (Sura 2:119-121, 138-144). And this contradiction is all in the same chapter.
17. Finally, one huge contradiction in the Quran that actually is embarrassing to the Muslims. The Quran claims that the book is written in pure Arabic see suras 12:2; 13:37; 16:105; 41:44. “The Quran is not perfect Arabic. It contains many grammatical errors, such as suras 2:177, 192; 4:162; 5:69; 7:160; 13:28; 20:66; 63:10. etc…”
In his book, The Foreign Vocabulary of the Quran, Authur Jeffery documents the fact that the Quran contains over 100 foreign (non-Arabic) words. There are Egyptian Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, Akkadian, Ethiopian and Persian words and phrases in the Quran.
Back to Mohammed’s question, “Can they not consider the Koran? Were it from any other than God, they would surely have found it many contradictions.” How would you answer Muhammad, if he were still alive today?
Now look at this The Koran says that the Bible and the Koran agree with one another, that there is no difference between the two: “We believe in God and that which has been sent down us [Koran], and sent down on Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob, and the [Israelitish] tribes, and in that which was given to Moses [the law] and Jesus [the Gospel], and the prophets of their Lord; we make NO DIVISION between any of them…” (Sura 2:130; 3:78).
But cetainly there are many differences between the two books.
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As we have shown earlier, the Quran says creation took place in 8 days, the Bible says 6 days.
We showed you earlier that one of Noah’s son died in the flood, but the Bible says all his sons were saved. Sura 11:4-6 says the ark landed on mount Judi, the Bible says it landed on the Mountains of Ararat, which was east of the land of Shinar, most likely in Iran!
The Koran says that Abraham’s father was called Azar, sura 6:74, but the Bible says Terah Gen 11:27.
Abraham did not live and worship in Mecca, sura 14:38, but south of Bethel according to the Bible, see Gen 13:3. “It is virtually certain that Abraham NEVER reached Mecca” (Watt, p.136, Muslim and Christian Encounters, emphasis mine).
It was Abraham’s son Isaac, not Ishmael that was sacrificed, see Sura 37:100-110 and Gen 22.
He did not build the Kaaba, as history has shown us and it is not in the Bible, see Sura 2:121-122
He was not thrown into the fire by Nimrod as the Koran claims, see Sura 21:60-69. This is a very serious error in Biblical and secular history. Nimrod was dead for centuries while Abraham walked this earth.
The Koran says Joseph was named Aziz Sura 12:21 ff, when his name was really Potiphar Gen 37:36.
It was not Pharaoh’s wife that adopted Moses Sura 28:7-8, it was Pharaoh’s daughter, Exodus 2:5.
Noah’s flood did not take place in Moses day Sura 2:248-9; 7:130-132 compare 7:57 ff. This error cannot be easily swept aside.
The Koran says Haman lived in Egypt during Pharaoh’s day in the time of Moses building the tower of Babel, Suras 28:5-7,:38; 29:38; 40:24-25, 38-39. But Haman actually lived in Persia 1000 years later, see the book of Esther. This contradicts secular as well as biblical history.
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Crucifixion was not used in Pharaoh’s time, the time of Moses, see Sura 7:121. This also contradicts secular history. The Carthaginians are the ones who invented crucifixion, and then the Romans took it from them.
Mary, the mother of Jesus, her father was not Imram Sura 66:12. Muslims say she was a descendant of Aaron, but Sura 3:30-43 plainly says that she gave birth to Mary and Imram said a prayer when she was born, and Zechariah took care of her when she was born. She is also called the “sister of Aaron” Moses’ brother, see Sura 19:29. Mary and Aaron live thousands of years apart from each other! Muhammad confused her with Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron.
She did not give birth to Jesus under a palm tree, but in a stable, see Sura 19:20-23; Luke 2:1-20
Muhammad made up fictional speeches of the people in the Bible, using such words as “Muslim” and “Islam” which were not used in the languages of those people at that time. These people did not call themselves Muslims, see Suras 2:122-126; 3:45-52, 60; 7:120-126; etc…
The test of how the soldiers would drink the water from the stream did not take place in the days of Saul when David defeated Goliath, but many years earlier with Gideon, compare Sura 2:250 with Judges 7:1-8
In Sura 20:87-88, 96 we are told that the Israelites built a golden calf at the suggestion of the “Samaritan.” Muhammad did not know that Samaria was founded by the Israelites under King Omri, and then when Assyria took them away captive in 721 B.C. they put other races people into Samaria years after Moses in the wilderness. This also contradicts secular as well as Biblical history.
Even The Encyclopedia Britannica says, “The deviations [in the Koran] from the Biblical narratives are very marked, and can in most cases be traced back to the LEGENDARY ANECDOTES OF THE JEWISH HAGGADA AND THE APOCRYPHAL GOSPEL.
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Much has been written concerning the sources from which Muhammad derived his information;there is no evidence THAT HE WAS ABLE TO READ, and his dependence on ORAL COMMUNICATION may explain some of his misconceptions…” (see samples above 13:479, emphasis mine). This is true even in the Koran he called the “Unlettered Prophet” (7:156).
Arabic scholar Edward Sell says, “He certainly did not get them from the Old Testament. The confusion of names is quite remarkable” (Studies, p.225).
“As pagan, Jewish, and Christian traders sat around the fire telling each other favorite stories, they would get the names times and events all jumbled up and confused” (Morey, Islamic Invasion, p.141). The worst to preserve anything is through human memory. Our human memories are too fragile to remember details of history. This is why God commanded Moses and the prophets, and the whole Bible for that matter to be “written in a book,” as EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY!
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There are many historical mistakes in the Koran. If the Koran is the word of God then it should not contain any mistakes. Let go through some of them
In Sura 105 Muhammad claims that the army of the elephant was defeated by birds dropping stones of baked clay upon them. According to historical record, Arbah’s army withdrew their attack on Mecca after small pox broke out among the troop..
The Kabba was not built by Abraham but by the pagan for Allah, or Hubal the moon god to encase the black stone that fell out of the sky as we have proved earlier in the book.
One of the greatest errors I have seen from a religious book, is the claim that Alexander the Great, who is called the “Two Horned one,” in the Koran was a MUSLIM, he worshipped Allah and lived to a good OLD AGE, see Sura 18:82-98. This error is ironclad. History shows that Alexander the Great was a pagan sodomite, and died at a young age. Daniel 8 in the Bible gives you an accurate description of Alexander the Great. Now some try and dispute this account and say it wasn’t Alexander the Great but someone else. The problem with that is, the Only person in ALL OF HISTORY who was called the “two horned one” was Alexander the Great. Also this story matches exactly to the myth of Alexander the Great in a book called the “Romance of Alexander.” And Even Muslim scholars recognized that this is speaking of Alexander the Great, see Yusuf Ali’s Translation of the Koran.
“The account of Alexander the Great (Sura 18:82) is hopelessly confused historically, and we are certain it was based on the Romance of Alexander. At any rate, the Macedonian was NOT A MUSLIM, and he did not live to an OLD AGE, nor was he a CONTEMPORARY OF ABRAHAM, as Muslims contend”
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“His [Mohammed's] account of Alexander introduced as the ‘Two Horned One’ (Sura 18:82), is derived from the ROMANCE OF ALEXANDER, which was current among the Nestorian Christians of the 7TH CENTURY IN A SYRIAC VERSION” (15:479, emphasis mine). How can we rely on a book that is filled with so many errors as the Koran! Go to this web site for absolute proof that its talking about Alexander the Great.
The Koran denies the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ (Sura 4:157-158). The crucifixion is an absolute historical fact.
There are non-Christian, Roman, Christian, and Jewish sources that will testify that Jesus was actually crucified on that Passover day.
Furthermore, read Lee Strobel’s book The Case for Christ.
He has his Law degree at Yale, and was a former Journalist for the Chicago Tribune who DENIED Christianity, and put his Law skills to the test.
When he was done his investigation he realized that the Bible is Historically accurate and Jesus did die and was resurrected!
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The Abrogater of Verses
In Sura 2:100, and 16:103 Muhammad says this, “Whatever verses we cancel, or cause thee to forget, we bring one better or like it.” First, what’s amazing is, in an earlier verse (v.20) he challenges people to “produce a sura like it.” And here he is canceling them.
Looks like God was violating his own law. But why would God have Muhammad cancel verses and bring other ones just like it or better? Isn’t God’s revelation good enough for all races and for all times, and to give it to us just once? Can’t he produce a verse that’s perfect ONE TIME?
The Bible says, “…The word of the Lord endures forever” (1 Peter 1:25). In the Koran, this is not the case! In the Bible there is not one case where a prophet cancelled any verses.
Secondly, notice in this verse that Mohammed “forgot” something God told him. So now we have some of God’s message lost because Muhammad has a bad memory.
Let’s Go through some of the Verses that Muhammad cancelled to illustrate the change in the Koranic Text.
Let’s start with the Satanic verses.
According to one version of these verses Muhammad had an early revelation in Mecca, which allowed the intercession of idols: “Do you consider Allat and Al-Uzza and Al-Manat, the third the other? Those are swans exalted; Their intercession is expected…”
Some time after Muhammad received another revelation canceling the last three lines and substituting them with what we find now in Sura 53:21-23., which omits the part about the Pagan gods interceding.
Both versions had been recited publicly.
Mohammed’s explanation was that Satan (PROVES SATAN WAS WITH HIM ALL THE TIME) had deceived him and inserted the false verses WITHOUT HIM KNOWING IT!
Problem is, if Satan deceived him in this part of the Koran WITHOUT HIM KNOWING IT.
How do we know that Satan did not deceive him in another place in the Koran WITHOUT HIM KNOWING, AND THAT VERSE IS STILL IN THE KORAN TODAY?
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The command to stone adulterers was changed to 100 stripes sura 24:2
The “sword” verse Sura 9:5 supposedly annuls the 124th verse that originally encouraged tolerance (cf 2:256), yet in other places it urges Muslims to “fight those who believe not” (9:29). and fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them (9:5), of course here’s a CONTRADICTION!
A contradiction can be found in the fact that the Koran claims that there can be “no changes to the word of God” (10:65).
For there is none that can alter or change the words of God (6:34).
But here Muhammad is canceling verses Sura 2:100.
Most of the time you see the corrected verses near the ones being corrected. The reason for the abrogation of verse is quite clear. There are many contradictions in the Quran, and Muhammad said you can’t find any or else its not God’s word, “”Can they not consider the Koran? Were it from any other that God, they would surely have found in it many contradictions” (sura 4:84).
The Koran claims that Humans are responsible for their own choices (18:28), yet it also claims that God has sealed the fate of all in advance (17:14; 10:99-100)
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OCCULT PRACTISED
Muhammad first considered himself as belonging to the category of shair’-man with mysterious esoteric knowledge which was generally attributed to a familiar spirit called a jinn or shaytan”’ (Facts on Islam). “Mohammed’s inspiration and religious experiences are remarkably similar to those found in some forms of spiritism. Shamanism, for example, is notorious for fostering periods of mental disruption as well as spirit possession. Significantly Muhammad experienced Shaman-like encounters and phenomena. Further, many authorities have noted that spirit possession frequently leads to the kinds of experiences that Muhammad had”.
Another authority describes the Quranic verse in this way: ‘The shortest verses generally occur in the earliest Suras, in which the style of Mohammed’s revelation comes very close to the RHYMED PROSE (saj) USED BY THE KAHINS, OR SOOTHSAYERS OF HIS TIMES…”
“The belief in angels and demons is said to have been acquired from the PERSIANS (the Koranic word ‘ifrit’ meaning ‘demon’ is of Pahlavi origin). If this is the case then it was acquired long ago, for the PAGAN ARABS BEFORE ISLAM ALREADY HAD CONFUSED THE NOTION OF A CLASS OF SHADOWY BEINGS everywhere resent yet nowhere distinctly perceived, the jinn or djinn.. .For the Heathen Arabs, the jinn were invisible but were capable of taking various forms, such as those of snakes, lizards and scorpions. If a jinn entered a man it rendered him mad or possessed [like Muhammad claimed] Muhammad…MAINTAINED A BELIEF IN THESE SPIRITS: ‘in fact the prophet went so far as to RECOGNIZE THE EXISTENCE OF HEATHEN GODS, classing them among the demons (see sura 37:158)…these primitive superstitions…held their ground in [Muslim] Arabia…[and] spread over the rest of the [Muslim] world.
Mhm. Listen, I’m going to break this down for you. Jinn in Islam are not seen as gods. They are seen as a race of creatures that God has created alongside mankind.
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Mohammed’s own beliefs in jinns are to be found in the Koran…Sura 72 (entitled ‘The Jinn’) 6:100…6:128…37:158…55:14…The angel Gabriel is spoken of as a companion of Muhammad, just as though he were a jinni accompanying a poet, and the same word ‘nafatha,’ blow upon, is used of an ENCHANTER, OF A JINNI inspiring a poet and of Gabriel revealing to Muhammad”
Muhammad also classed the Sabians and the people of Zoroaster as the “people of the book.”
Now these Sabians were those who were “…the people of the book…[who] worshipped the stars and admitted to the existence of astral spirits….Insofar as the Sabians may have influenced Muhammad, we may note the prevalence of oaths by stars and planets in the Koran (Sura 56:75: ‘I swear by the falling of the stars…’ Sura 53 entitled ‘The Star,’ verse 1: ‘By the start when it plunges…’)..
The God of the Bible condemns Astrological observations, see Deuteronomy 4:15, 19; 18:10-12
What is a soothsayer? One who practices divination, generally associated with the occult sciences.
Hinduism Zoroasterism, Mithaism all have laments of astrology in them.
We see in sura 15:16 “We set THE signs of the ZODIAC in the heavens…” Islam condones not condemns Astrology. In sura 53:45 Muhammad refers to “Sirius,” the dog star worshipped by the pagan Arabs.
Here is a warning to Christians about false these prophets: “If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign [In Mohammed's case the sign is the Koran] or a wonder,
“And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, [The Koran which teaches us to worship the Moon God Hubal] which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;” (Deut 13:1-2). Then God says it is a test to see if we love him and stay with his religion (v.3). Then it pronounces the death penalty on these false prophets (v.5).
Praise the Lord.
The word “Messiah” means “Anointed One,” the name given to the promised Deliverer who would some day come to the people of Israel, their great Savior and Redeemer, “anointed” as Prophet, Priest, and King.
The promise was given to King David that the Messiah should be one of his descendants, as the King eternal, the one of whom God said, “I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever” (II Samuel 7:13). Isaiah said, “There shall come forth a rod out of the stem (literally ‘stump’) of Jesse (that is David’s father), and a Branch shall grow out of his roots” (Isaiah 11:1). This is another name of the Messiah, and indicates that, even after it would appear that the family tree of Jesse has been cut down, yet one Branch will grow out of the stump. Evidently the very last one who could be known to have come of this lineage would finally prove to be the promised Messiah!
STANDING AT THE JUNCTURE OF THE END OF THE OLD TESTAMENT PERIOD WITH THE ADVENT OF JESUS COMING INTO THIS WORLD, HOW WAS THE MESSIAH REVEALED TO THE PEOPLE AND WHICH SCRIPTURE HOLDS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE MESSIAH.
John 4:20-40
20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22You Samaritans worship WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW, we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
(JESUS IS WARNING EVERY ONE:
THERE ARE MANY TODAY WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE WORSHIPING, BUT ARE TRYING TO PROVE THAT WHAT THEY WORSHIP IS THE ONE TRUE GOD BY WORSHIPING ON A MOUNTAIN AND BY WORSHIPING FACING A MOUNTAIN).
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john 4:
23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the TRUE WORSHIPERS WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
24GOD IS SPIRIT, and his worshipers must WORSHIP IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH.”
25The woman said, “I know that Messiah”, called Christ, “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
26Then Jesus declared, “I WHO SPEAK TO YOU AM HE.”
27Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?”
28Then, leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, 29″Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. COULD THIS BE THE CHRIST[a]?” 30They came out of the town and made their way toward him.
31Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.”
32But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”
33Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?”
34″My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
41And many more believed because of his word.
42They said to the woman, “It is NO LONGER BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID THAT WE BELIEVE, for we have heard for ourselves,(L) and WE KNOW THAT THIS IS INDEED(M) THE SAVIOUR(N) OF THE WORLD.”
Mark 4:35-41
“Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?”
39And he awoke and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Peace! Be still!” And the wind ceased, and(D) there was a great calm.
40He said to them, “Why are you so afraid? Have you still no faith?” 41And they were filled with great fear and said to one another, “WHO THEN IS THIS, THAT EVEN THE WIND AND THE SEA OBEY HIM?”
(Jesus is revealing himself to them).
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Mark 2:1-12
5 And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “SON, YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN.”
6 Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts,
7 “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! WHO CAN FORGIVE SINS BUT GOD ALONE?”
8 And immediately Jesus, PERCEIVING IN HIS SPIRIT that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?
(perceived in his spirit because THOUGH MAN he is the spirit of god himself).
Mark 5:1-20
6 And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and fell down before him.
7 And crying out with a loud voice, he said, “What have you to do with me, JESUS, SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD?
I adjure you by God, do not torment me.”
8 For he was saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
“Go home to your friends and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.”
20 And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him, and everyone marveled.
Mark 8:27-30
27 And Jesus went on with his disciples to the villages of Caesarea Philippi. And on the way he asked his disciples, “WHO DO PEOPLE SAY I AM?”
28 And they told him, “John the Baptist; and others say, Elijah; and others, one of the prophets.”
29 And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter answered him, “YOU ARE THE CHRIST.”
YES, THE MESSIAH IS BEING REVEALED TO MANKIND).
(THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT JESUS IS ASKING PEOPLE EVEN TODAY BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE REJECTED HIM OF WHO HE IS AND WHAT TRULY HE CAME FOR INTO THIS WORLD).
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Mark 8:34-38
34 And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “IF ANYONE WOULD COME AFTER ME, LET HIM DENY HIMSELF AND TAKE UP HIS CROSS AND FOLLOW ME.
35 For whoever would save his life [1] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel’s will save it.
36 For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?
37 For what can a man give in return for his soul?
38 For WHOEVER IS ASHAMED OF ME and OF MY WORDS in this ADULTEROUS AND SINFUL GENERATION, of him will the Son of Man ALSO BE ASHAMED when he comes IN THE GLORY OF HIS FATHER with the holy angels.”
Mark 15:31-32
31 So also the chief priests with the scribes mocked him to one another, saying, “He saved others; he cannot save himself. 32 Let the CHRIST, THE KING OF ISRAEL, come down now from the cross that we may see and believe.” Those who were crucified with him also reviled him.
Mark 9:2-13
THE TRANSFIGURATION
2 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them,
3 AND HIS CLOTHES BECAME RADIANT, INTENSLY WHITE, AS ON ONE ON EARTH COULD BLEACH THEM.
4 And there appeared to them Elijah with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.
5 And Peter said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good that we are here. Let us make three tents, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
6 For he did not know what to say, for they were terrified.
7 And a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “THIS IS MY BELOVED SON; LISTEN TO HIM.”
8 And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only.
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Mark 15:33-39
JESUS EVEN WHILE AT THE CROSS INDEED REVEALED HIMSELF THOUGH TRULY MAN YET TRULY GOD
33 And when the sixth hour [1] had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
35 And some of the bystanders hearing it said, “Behold, he is calling Elijah.”
36 And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down.”
37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last.
38 And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.
39 And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that in this way he breathed his last, he said, “TRULY THIS MAN WAS THE SON OF GOD.!”
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We see from birth to the end Jesus is the Messiah, Prophet, King, Priest, etc. though man yet divine.
No other scriptures gives the revelations of the MESSIAH to come and explanation for the Messiah.
Here is where the twist of the story comes in, coz great scholars in history like Zamakhshari & Baidawi admitted that al-Masihu WAS NOT an original Arabic word.
While it is confirmed that there is absolute uncertainty how this title is to be viewed by them and uncertainty in the exact meaning of the word that has come into other scriptures leaves a true fact unanswered.
Why, then, others acknowledge that Jesus was the Messiah, yet give no delineation of what the word Messiah means?
It is a true fact that they do not have any origin or hold any view from all the true inspired scriptures right from the time of Adam until the coming into this world of the PROMISED MESSIAH OF GOD.
On the other hand, it is a true fact that the people from the time of Adam and until the Messiah was revealed to Mankind, THESE PEOPLE WERE IN ANTICIPATION OF THE MESSIAH WOULD BE ‘THEIR SAVIOUR’ IN THE MANIFESTATION OF PROPHETHOOD, PRIESTHOOD AND KINGSHIP, AS DETAILED IN THE HOLY WORDS OF THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD.
(THUS THE MESSIAH WAS RECOGNIZED ONLY BY THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS WHO PROLAIMED HIM ‘’THE CHRIST’’ ‘’THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.’ )
Why give him a unique title and not explain it’s significance?
Men of this world perceive and explain ACCORDING TO THE EYES & MIND OF THIS WORLD, because they are human and thus are called human beings.
Men of God perceive WITH THE EYES OF GOD & THE SPIRIT OF GOD, for God is Spirit and thus Mankind is called to become spiritual beings in the image and likeness of God.
Submit:
Good post! Jesus is truly the Savior of the world, but only for those those who believe! He is the center, the essence of life, what gives meaning and live to everything else. It is with a personal (spiritual) relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ, or Jesus the Messiah, that we come into union with the one who is the very heart of the matter. It is only through a personal relationship with God at the very core of our soul and spirit that we are transformed into His image. Laws, creeds, regulations, codes, commands, etc., are all external and can be ignored, but you cannot ignore God once you have come into a personal relationship with Him through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. May we let the Lord Jesus Christ continue to lead us by the Holy Spirit, draw us closer to the heart of God, and transform us into His likeness! Peace, love, mercy and grace be yours in abundance.
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As the centuries passed, we see the mention of Holy Spirit come upon believers in Old Testament times and were guided to proclaim the coming of the Messiah:
-Priests, to offer sacrifices and to teach the Law.
-Prophets, to work miracles and prophesy.
-Judges/Kings, to judge and rule the people.
Genesis 1:2
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters
Numbers 11:16,17
And I will take of the spirit which is upon you, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the poeple with you, that yo bear it not yourself alone.
Num. 11:25
“And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unot the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease
Joel 2:28
And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions
Luke 1:34,35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee..
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth
Acts 2:1-4
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place
2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and( t filled the entire house where they were sitting
3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested[a] on each one of them
4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
So whom did Jesus promise to send to the Apostles WHEN THEY WERE STILL ALIVE?
And the Spirit of God SPEAKS THE TRUTH, coz
JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH & LIFE
God is spirit and
Our WORSHIP (prostration of oneself) NIGHT & DAY,
MORNING to EVENING,
THROUGHTOUT OUR LIFETIME and
UNTIL DEATH DO US PART
MUST be IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH
ONLY to THE ONE TRUE LIVING GOD
who LIVED AMONGST US and REVEALED THE MESSIAHSHIP to mankind
and POURED OUT THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.
ONLY JESUS IS PERFECT PURE & SINLESS. MANKIND IS CALLED TO FOLLOW JESUS – THE WORD OF GOD AND SPIRIT OF GOD —-NO OTHER —– AND TO BECOME PURE SUBMITTERS TO THE WILL OF GOD JUST LIKE JESUS AND NO OTHER.
Inorder to walk in RIGHTEOUSNESS like the Messiah
HOW ELSE CAN MANKIND REACH RIGHTEOUSNESS? – IF GOD IS NOT WITH US AND IF HIS OWN SPIRIT IS NOT UPON US AND ANNOINT US TO DO HIS WILL?
BE PERFECT AS MY HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT COZ THOSE WHO KNOW JESUS KNOW GOD, coz JESUS IS THE RESURRECTION & LIFE, coz JESUS IS THE GATE, coz JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. OTHER THAN JESUS WHO WAS PERFECT AND PURE AND SINLESS AS CONFIRMED BY THE ANGEL OF GOD & BY GOD HIMSELF?
We need His Holy Spirit and THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH & LOVE.
ULTIMATELY LOVE that was poured into the hearts and LOVE that is poured into the hearts of THOSE WHO AKS and IT SHALL BE RECEIVED.
One thing I’ve always been confused about is, for example, the sayings of Jesus on the cross. If Jesus and God are the same, why would there be sayings like,
“Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”
“My God, My God, why have you forsaken me”
Just because the Bible claims, or implies that Jesus is the son of God doesn’t mean he is. The Bible also claims that planet earth is flat (Galileo was persecuted for claiming otherwise), and that rabbits chew cud, among other claims..
The Hindu Gita claims that Krishna is God. or a part of God. Should we believe simply because its written!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God (Allah) does not share divinity with anyone. May He be Exalted above what Hindus and Christians claim Him to be.
Christians believe Jesus is the unique, one and only, Son of God, not just because it is written, but because his Father is God and because of the historical fact of his life, death, resurrection and ascension. His own words and the testimony of his closest disciples who walked and talked with him on earth reveal that Jesus is the the Word of God who became man (ie. he is God in the flesh). Christians believe in only One True God, who has revealed Himself to man as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not three gods but One God. There is God, His Word, and His Spirit, and these three are One and the same. At the incarnation, the Word of God became flesh (the son of Mary). He is the only one who has ever had a divine and a human nature. As a man he became the second Adam and as God he will judge the living and the dead. Christians are born-again through faith in the risen Jesus Christ. They are forgiven and accepted by God because of what the Son has done. The gift of God is eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ. The gift of God is for all who will receive it by faith. If you truly seek him with all your heart you will find Him. If you have Christ in you, you too with have the hope of glory.
The claim that the earth is flat does not come from the Bible. Please see http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_of_bible/flatearth/doesbibleteach.html.
Salaam Alaykum.
I noticed several things wrong with this article.
“Muslims almost always object to using the title “Son of God” concerning Jesus. The main reason is that many Muslims believe the phrase “Son of God” implies that God the Father had sexual relations with Mary and that Jesus (the Son) was born of this union. Some understand the Christian Trinity as consisting of the Father, Mary and Jesus. Christians actually do not believe this and like Muslims we find the idea repulsive and blasphemous. Unfortunately this is often the Muslim understanding of the phrase “Son of God.””
Thank you. So I guess since Jesus, peace be upon him, is not God’s son, you admit he’s not divine, right?
“The Qur’an does say that Jesus was born of a virgin. Various Muslim traditions ascribe miracles to Jesus such as healing the sick and raising the dead. However, the Qur’an states that He was no more than a human being, a prophet like all other prophets. Islam thinks that Chrisians are trying to elevate Jesus to be God. Yet, the reality is that Jesus is not a man whom we are trying to elevate to be God; rather He is God who humbled Himself to become man.”
*smacks forehead* Of course, so you’re not saying that he’s God, you’re just saying that…he’s God. Makes perfect sense.
“Islam refuses to ascribe deity to Christ and rejects the doctrine that Jesus is the Son of…
@SKhan. The Church has admitted several times that the Trinity is a mystery and has always been. Listen to yourself explaining how Jesus is God in human form. Yet he does not know when the day of Judgement is! And according to Christianity, he ends up being murdered. That does not describe the divine Supreme being, be it in spirit, human, or animal form, or whatever other form you choose to describe God. Immortal is Immortal. All-Knowing is All-Knowing, not Infinite knowledge (minus) knowledge concerning when the day of Judgement is. Anthropomorphism raises serious logical problems. Especially when you claim to be a monotheist and then believe in a God-man. That leads you closer to polytheism. Hindu doctrine concerning God is similar to Christianity, but it is accepted that Hinduism is polytheism, and Christianity is not.
Perhaps you should explain what John means by Jesus was born of God, and what the Church when it says Jesus is the literal son of God. This clearly is a Semitic metaphor taken literally in Greek. The trinity is a new idea introduced in the 1st century through heresy, of course with influence from the then pagan Roman Empire. All records of monotheism before Jesus only discuss the One God, without shape or form. There is ample evidence dating back from when writing first came about, roughly 3000BC.
Here are just few questions which I find confusing about this theory of “Jesus is son of God”
Do you agree with me that
1) the way Adam(a.s) was created is more miraculous than how Jesus (a.s)was created because a) he did not have a mother or a father & b) he was created from dust.
2) If the answer is yes , then don’t you think Adam(a.s) has more right than Jesus(a.s) to claim he is “the son of God”.
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, “Be,” and he was. Quran Chapter 3 V 59.
Final question is when Christians say Jesus was God and he was crucified for our sin etc , etc. Does that mean human were able to kill God , how bizarre ?? Couldn’t he just protected himself by sending down lighting strike to kill all the people who tried to harm??
Who should we believe, “dago”, “Diago”, “vj” or the Vatican and the Pope:
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Under the title Emancipating ourselves from our worst prejudices (Nous libérer de nos préjugés les plus notables) the authors address the following suggestions to Christians:
“Here also, we must surrender to a deep purification of our attitude. In particular, what is meant by this are certain ‘set judgements’ that are all too often and too lightly made about Islam. It is essential not to cultivate in the secret of our hearts views such as these, too easily or arbitrarily arrived at, and which the sincere Muslim finds confusing.”
One extremely important view of this kind is the attitude which leads people to repeatedly use the term Allah’ to mean the God of the Muslims, as if the Muslims believed in a God who was different from the God of the Christians. Al lâh means ‘the Divinity’ in Arabic: it is a single God, implying that a correct transcription can only render the exact meaning of the word with the help of the expression ‘God’. For the Muslim, al lâh is none other than the God of Moses and Jesus.
The document produced by the Office for Non-Christian Affairs at the Vatican stresses this fundamental point in the following terms:
“It would seem pointless to maintain that Allâh is not really God, as do certain people in the West! The conciliar documents have put the above assertion in its proper place. There is no better way of illustrating Islamic faith in God than by quoting the following extracts from Lumen Gentium [ Lumen Gentium is the title of a document produced by the Second Vatican Council (1962-1966)].
‘The Muslims profess the faith of Abraham and worship with us the sole merciful God, who is the future judge of men on the Day of Reckoning . . .’”
continued..
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One can therefore understand the Muslims’ protest at the all too frequent custom in European languages of saying ‘Allâh’ instead of ‘God’ . . . Cultivated Muslims have praised D. Masson’s French transition of the Qur’an for having ‘at last’ written ‘Dieu’ [ God.] instead of ‘Allah’.
The Vatican document points out the following: “Allâh is the only word that Arabic-speaking Christians have for God.” Muslims and Christians worship a single God.
The Vatican document then undertakes a critical examination of the other false judgements made on Islam.
I am certain that this defense of Islam by the Vatican will surprise many believers today, be they Muslims, Jews or Christians. It is a demonstration of sincerity and open-mindedness that is singularly in contrast with the attitudes inherited from the past. The number of people in the West who are aware of the new attitudes adopted by the highest authorities in the Catholic Church is however very small.
Once one is aware of this fact, it comes as less of a surprise to learn of the actions that sealed this reconciliation: firstly, there was the official visit made by the President of the Office for Non-Christian Affairs at the Vatican to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia; then the official reception given by Pope Paul VI to the Grand Ulema of Saudi Arabia in the course of 1974. Henceforth, one understands more clearly the spiritual significance of the fact that His Grace Bishop Elchinger received the Grand Ulema at his cathedral in Strasbourg and invited them during their visit to pray in the choir. This they did before the altar, TURNED TOWARDS MEKKA.
AW,
I haven’t had the time to follow everything, but I want to address the following quote: ‘The Muslims profess the faith of Abraham and worship with us the sole merciful God, who is the future judge of men on the Day of Reckoning . . .’” This is no different to me as when Jehovah Witnesses, Mormans, or even Muslims for that matter, say “I believe in Jesus.” They may use the same English word “Jesus” but they don’t have the same definition for the word. Muslims, Jews and Christians all “profess” to believe in the same God, but if our definition of God is different from the self revelation of God found in the 66 books of the Holy Bible, our ‘god’ is not the God of Abraham.
God has made himself known to us through his relationship with Abraham, Moses, the prophets and finally through Jesus, and God does not change. How is it that the Muslim Allah is an impersonal and unknowable god while the God of the Jews and Christians is a personal and knowable God? Could it be we are not talking about the same deity?
aw you seem to be very sensitive about actions of OTHER people, but you do not see the actions of muslims.
there are muslims who have prayed by turning to mekka specially the teenagers who have become targets of terrorism they prayed and then next action went out with bombs and weapons to commit destruction of properpy and lives. Now how do you justify that ALLAH WHO IS GOD FOR YOU ACCEPT THE ACTIONS OF SUCH PEOPLE?? Even today as i speak muslims are plotting to kill muslims even in pakistan,afghanistan,yemen,somalia,etc.
PLESE REMEMBER THAT THEY TAKE THE NAME OF YOUR GOD ALLAH AND COMMIT THESE ACTS, AND THESE ARE JUSTIFIED BY THE MUSLIM MULLAHS AND THE WHOLE MUSLIM COMMUNITIES.
I also gave you the example of how the word allah has been creating a problem in malaysia, but you definitely have no reply to that because you justified vatican’s statetments, BUT HOW WILL YOU JUSTIFY MUSLIMS ACTIONS.
SO ALLAH FOR MUSLIMS IS GOD BY NAME ONLY(false god) AND NOT THE TRUE GOD OF ABRAHAM, and to further prove to you allah has told muslims not to make friends with christians and jews.
But see how your justification is.
Also according to quran jesus did not die, but history confirms the death, writers confirm the death and even names of witness are provided to confirm that it is true. MARY TOOK THE BODY OF JESUS IN HER OWN ARMS. Now if the body was someone else then ALLAH (WHOM YOU BELIEVE IS GOD FOOLED MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS).
You are justifying a false claim -
not one claim but 100′s of claims of bible to be false. Sorry dear. The bible says that these false claims are from a dreamer and he suceeded in keeping his name next to allah’s name and thus you proclaim him and treat him above ALLAH
THIS GOES TO PROVE THAT THE QURAN IS CERTAINLY NOT TURE BECAUSE GOD WILL NEVER GIVE YOU A TRUTH WITHOUT PROOF OR JUSTIFICATIION. THEREFORE YOUR CLAIM IS FALSE.
BIBLE IS THE TRUE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD AND QURAN IS NOT AND NEITHER ITS WRITERS, ETC
AW
Remember that every language call god by his or her language if he is worshiping God of Abraham, so in english we say god, in french deiu, in indian bhagwan, etc. etc. so if god is god in english and if allah is god in arabic, then Why should god force people to call him only by one word allah? This is not the doing of god, but of man.
If god of abraham is universal then god can be called god by the worshiper’s own language, because god knows the language of his own creation, god even know the language of the animal kingdom as well.
so if muslims insist that god MUST BE CALLED BY THE NAME OF ALLAH, (today if we are witnessing BRUTALITY BECAUSE OF THE GOD OF MUSLIMS WHO IS CALLED ALLAH, then the muslim god is certainly not a universal god and moreover muslim god only know one language and that is arabic, because you force people to read the quran in arabic.
The god of abraham knows my language and he speaks with me in my language, otherwise he is not a god and moreover he then would not be a universal god.
DEUTERONOMY 18:20
But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”
MUSLIMS INSIST THAT THEIR PROPHET TOLD THAT MANKIND MUST UTTER ONLY IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, AND TODAY WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE LIKES OF MUSLIMS IN MALAYSIA WHERE ANYONE WHO WILL USE ALLAH MUSLIMS ARE PUTTING MANKIND TO BURTALITY / DEATH.
GOD HAS ALREADY DONE HIS PART BY PUTTING THIS PROPHET TO DEATH AND THIS PROPHET WANT MANKIND TO FOLLOW HIM – THE DEVIL IS ON THE LOOSE.
Muslims don’t just use the word “Allah” in reference to God. Muslims in Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh also use the Persian word “Khoda” to refer to God because of Persian influence in those regions of the world. Also, there are 99 names/attributes of God in Islam. Allah is simply one of those names/attributes. Please do your research instead of regurgitating/copy-pasting random “facts”.