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		<title>By: iman</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-2/#comment-3148</link>
		<dc:creator>iman</dc:creator>
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		<description>You forgotten to mention, that we believe in quran. And quran has never been edited nor changed for thousands of years.

It has always been over looked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgotten to mention, that we believe in quran. And quran has never been edited nor changed for thousands of years.</p>
<p>It has always been over looked.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Svensson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Svensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.
I found your Web Site by Google
And I wish you the best you can get, the peace of God through Jesus Christ.

Welcome to visit my Site. Allan Svensson, Sweden

Why does the revival tarry?  It is because God&#039;s people tarry to obey the powerful command of the Lord in Rev. 18:4.  This is the most powerful revival message of the Lord to his people in our time.
www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM

As in the days of Lot, it is now. Lot was not interested to leave Sodom. God sent two angels to rescue him,
and they must persuade him to leave Sodom. When he yet lingered, one of the angels said to him: 
&quot;Flee for your life sake ...&quot;    
Just like as Lot, God&#039;s people are not interested to leave the great Babylon, but finally they must flee for their life from there.
www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE88.HTM

God&#039;s people are destroyed for lack of knowledge because their preachers have rejected knowledge. Hosea 4:6-11.  Instead to preaching the truth of the Assembly of God, they have preached lies about the 
Assembly of God. The Pentecostalists have abused the expression &quot;Assembly of God&quot; and used it as a 
name of their church.

The coming revival, a nameless revival
www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/POWERFUL.HTM

Why was the Pentecostal Revival stopped?
www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
I found your Web Site by Google<br />
And I wish you the best you can get, the peace of God through Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Welcome to visit my Site. Allan Svensson, Sweden</p>
<p>Why does the revival tarry?  It is because God&#8217;s people tarry to obey the powerful command of the Lord in Rev. 18:4.  This is the most powerful revival message of the Lord to his people in our time.<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM</a></p>
<p>As in the days of Lot, it is now. Lot was not interested to leave Sodom. God sent two angels to rescue him,<br />
and they must persuade him to leave Sodom. When he yet lingered, one of the angels said to him:<br />
&#8220;Flee for your life sake &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Just like as Lot, God&#8217;s people are not interested to leave the great Babylon, but finally they must flee for their life from there.<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE88.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE88.HTM</a></p>
<p>God&#8217;s people are destroyed for lack of knowledge because their preachers have rejected knowledge. Hosea 4:6-11.  Instead to preaching the truth of the Assembly of God, they have preached lies about the<br />
Assembly of God. The Pentecostalists have abused the expression &#8220;Assembly of God&#8221; and used it as a<br />
name of their church.</p>
<p>The coming revival, a nameless revival<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/POWERFUL.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/POWERFUL.HTM</a></p>
<p>Why was the Pentecostal Revival stopped?<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...Response to Sandra&#039;s post.

&quot; the Holy Bible speaks of saving men and loving them no matter what their sin is!&quot;

Are you suggesting that we should do away with all forms of jurisprudence?

Quran also mentions this teaching, but in a slightly different way.  It talks to people who have transgressed that if they turn to God and repent then God is ever Merciful.

But do away with jurisprudence and see what happens to a society!  If Bible is teaching to apply the jurisprudence and still love the person, then how can you a) either lovingly kill a person or b) lovingly let a person rot in jail for the rest of his/her life?  If you say these are harsh punishments then I am sorry but Bible offers nothing in the arena of jurisprudence.  Only the first five books of the Old Testament are books of Law (which have been abrogated by Saint Paul because the law was the flesh which was done away with on the cross).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;Response to Sandra&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&#8221; the Holy Bible speaks of saving men and loving them no matter what their sin is!&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that we should do away with all forms of jurisprudence?</p>
<p>Quran also mentions this teaching, but in a slightly different way.  It talks to people who have transgressed that if they turn to God and repent then God is ever Merciful.</p>
<p>But do away with jurisprudence and see what happens to a society!  If Bible is teaching to apply the jurisprudence and still love the person, then how can you a) either lovingly kill a person or b) lovingly let a person rot in jail for the rest of his/her life?  If you say these are harsh punishments then I am sorry but Bible offers nothing in the arena of jurisprudence.  Only the first five books of the Old Testament are books of Law (which have been abrogated by Saint Paul because the law was the flesh which was done away with on the cross).</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...Response to Sandra&#039;s post.

&quot;The Koran speaks of killing Jews.&quot;

The Quran speaks of only killing those Jews a) who had broken their agreement to defend the city together with the Muslims in case of an invasion other tribes and b) had come to fight the muslims i.e. they were the oppressors and as I have already explained earlier Islam permits one to defend oneself.  The Jews at the eleventh hour sided with the attackers and were judged by their own arbitrator who judged them according to law of Torah (Old Testment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;Response to Sandra&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Koran speaks of killing Jews.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Quran speaks of only killing those Jews a) who had broken their agreement to defend the city together with the Muslims in case of an invasion other tribes and b) had come to fight the muslims i.e. they were the oppressors and as I have already explained earlier Islam permits one to defend oneself.  The Jews at the eleventh hour sided with the attackers and were judged by their own arbitrator who judged them according to law of Torah (Old Testment).</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...Response to Sandra&#039;s post.

&quot;his body lays in a tomb. Jesus Christ lives! His body is NOT in a tomb!&quot;

Actually I don&#039;t believe on my understanding of the Quran that Jesus is still alive.  I am an Ahmadi Muslim and we believe that the tomb of Jesus is in Sri nagar, Kashmir (see www.tombofjesus.com).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;Response to Sandra&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&#8220;his body lays in a tomb. Jesus Christ lives! His body is NOT in a tomb!&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually I don&#8217;t believe on my understanding of the Quran that Jesus is still alive.  I am an Ahmadi Muslim and we believe that the tomb of Jesus is in Sri nagar, Kashmir (see <a href="http://www.tombofjesus.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tombofjesus.com</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...Response to Sandra&#039;s post.

&quot;Prophet Muhammad killed countless people and never performed one miracle&quot;

We believe in Islam defensive wars are permitted to safeguard from oppression.  Also Islam prohibits starting any wars.  However, when a war is started then one is permitted to defend oneself.  Battles may be started by either party on supply caravans as long as two peoples are in a state of war.  This practice also helps reduce the amount of bloodshed as many more would fight and kill each other when new supplies are received.

Although I don&#039;t believe in it, but I ask you did Moses (Peace  be on him)  not commit genocide?  Yet you believe him to be a prophet of God so why frown upon defensive wars fought by prophet Muhammad (Peace be on him) about which the Quran states were fought to safeguards Synagogues,  Churches and Mosques  where the name of God is often remembered?

I ask you Sandra, hypothetically speaking of course, if Muslims were to attack Christians today, will Christians not fight back?  If not would the Christians a) accept the Muslim rule and/or b) be happily accept annihilation?  This was the circumstance prophet Moses and prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of God be on them both) found themselves in and were permitted to defend themselves.

As far as miracles are concerned, we believe prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him) showed many more miracles than Jesus Christ (Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him).  What we may differ on is the nature of miracles.  As stated in my previous post I believe changing of hearts and minds to be a bigger miracle than raising someone from the dead.  I also infer from the bible that it was raising of spiritually dead to life (i.e. communion with God aka changing of hearts and minds towards God) which Jesus himself did.  He said even if someone has an iota of faith he will be able to perform all these miracles that   Jesus (Peace be on him) performed.  No Christian has raised anyone from the dead physically.  Can you do this Sandra if you have even an iota of faith?  I believe, here Jesus (Peace be on him) is referring to the spiritually dead.

As far as the number of miracles is concerned, at the time when Jesus (Peace be on him) was put on the cross, only eleven disciples believed in him.  Even from among them some cursed him and one sold him out.  The number of people Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him) touched far supersedes that of Jesus (Peace be on him).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;Response to Sandra&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&#8220;Prophet Muhammad killed countless people and never performed one miracle&#8221;</p>
<p>We believe in Islam defensive wars are permitted to safeguard from oppression.  Also Islam prohibits starting any wars.  However, when a war is started then one is permitted to defend oneself.  Battles may be started by either party on supply caravans as long as two peoples are in a state of war.  This practice also helps reduce the amount of bloodshed as many more would fight and kill each other when new supplies are received.</p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t believe in it, but I ask you did Moses (Peace  be on him)  not commit genocide?  Yet you believe him to be a prophet of God so why frown upon defensive wars fought by prophet Muhammad (Peace be on him) about which the Quran states were fought to safeguards Synagogues,  Churches and Mosques  where the name of God is often remembered?</p>
<p>I ask you Sandra, hypothetically speaking of course, if Muslims were to attack Christians today, will Christians not fight back?  If not would the Christians a) accept the Muslim rule and/or b) be happily accept annihilation?  This was the circumstance prophet Moses and prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of God be on them both) found themselves in and were permitted to defend themselves.</p>
<p>As far as miracles are concerned, we believe prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him) showed many more miracles than Jesus Christ (Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him).  What we may differ on is the nature of miracles.  As stated in my previous post I believe changing of hearts and minds to be a bigger miracle than raising someone from the dead.  I also infer from the bible that it was raising of spiritually dead to life (i.e. communion with God aka changing of hearts and minds towards God) which Jesus himself did.  He said even if someone has an iota of faith he will be able to perform all these miracles that   Jesus (Peace be on him) performed.  No Christian has raised anyone from the dead physically.  Can you do this Sandra if you have even an iota of faith?  I believe, here Jesus (Peace be on him) is referring to the spiritually dead.</p>
<p>As far as the number of miracles is concerned, at the time when Jesus (Peace be on him) was put on the cross, only eleven disciples believed in him.  Even from among them some cursed him and one sold him out.  The number of people Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be on him) touched far supersedes that of Jesus (Peace be on him).</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khan, thanks for asking about how we moderate this site. In general, responses are welcomed. I would ask that everyone try to respond to comments directly as you seem to be doing. We may or may not agree with all comments, but that is not the point. You are welcome to discussion (I will only stop comments which start to create problems / are aggressive in nature or are unrelated such as porno junk which comes often and I have to delete - yours do not related to these categories.)

Just for reference, here is a quote from your original question ... &quot;Dear moderator(s). If this is not the correct forum for this discussion please let me know and I will not post such messages in future....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khan, thanks for asking about how we moderate this site. In general, responses are welcomed. I would ask that everyone try to respond to comments directly as you seem to be doing. We may or may not agree with all comments, but that is not the point. You are welcome to discussion (I will only stop comments which start to create problems / are aggressive in nature or are unrelated such as porno junk which comes often and I have to delete &#8211; yours do not related to these categories.)</p>
<p>Just for reference, here is a quote from your original question &#8230; &#8220;Dear moderator(s). If this is not the correct forum for this discussion please let me know and I will not post such messages in future&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...Response to Sandra&#039;s post.

&quot;did you know Faeza that He resurrected 3 people from the dead?&quot;

What does this prove?  If you would like to suggest that this shows he was the son of God, then bible also mentions that even the bones of an older prophet resurrected a dead man.

I of course have a problem with this because I can not comprehend why would a just God do such a thing?  Why only raise 3 people from the dead?  If he wanted to show a miracle so people would know he is the son of God then Bible rejects this idea.  For it states that Jesus felt sorry for the loss of the next of kin of the deceased so he brought him back to life.  Why doesn&#039;t he bring people back to life today?  Are people not grieving today?

Bringing physically dead people back to life does not accomplish anything unless the hearts are changed as well.  Otherwise the person would again live the same lifestyle and nothing would be gained. So changing of hearts is a bigger miracle than raising the dead, and I believe Jesus did that because he had come to change the hearts and minds of Jews back to God the Father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;Response to Sandra&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&#8220;did you know Faeza that He resurrected 3 people from the dead?&#8221;</p>
<p>What does this prove?  If you would like to suggest that this shows he was the son of God, then bible also mentions that even the bones of an older prophet resurrected a dead man.</p>
<p>I of course have a problem with this because I can not comprehend why would a just God do such a thing?  Why only raise 3 people from the dead?  If he wanted to show a miracle so people would know he is the son of God then Bible rejects this idea.  For it states that Jesus felt sorry for the loss of the next of kin of the deceased so he brought him back to life.  Why doesn&#8217;t he bring people back to life today?  Are people not grieving today?</p>
<p>Bringing physically dead people back to life does not accomplish anything unless the hearts are changed as well.  Otherwise the person would again live the same lifestyle and nothing would be gained. So changing of hearts is a bigger miracle than raising the dead, and I believe Jesus did that because he had come to change the hearts and minds of Jews back to God the Father.</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1040</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...Response to Sandra&#039;s post.

&quot;Jesus said, watch out for false prophets who are going to come after Me. “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people” Matthew 24:11. In Matthew 7:15, Jesus said, “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. In Verse 20 of the same chapter Jesus tells us “Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them&quot;

According to your own Bible 
&quot;Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.&quot;

Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of God be on Him) passes the litmus test.  He took part in many battles and survived. 

Every fair minded person can see the condition of Arabia before and after the advent of prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of God be on him) and the spiritual change he brought about.

Christians of course may disagree just as Muslims would agree with the above statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;Response to Sandra&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&#8220;Jesus said, watch out for false prophets who are going to come after Me. “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people” Matthew 24:11. In Matthew 7:15, Jesus said, “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. In Verse 20 of the same chapter Jesus tells us “Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them&#8221;</p>
<p>According to your own Bible<br />
&#8220;Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.&#8221;</p>
<p>Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of God be on Him) passes the litmus test.  He took part in many battles and survived. </p>
<p>Every fair minded person can see the condition of Arabia before and after the advent of prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of God be on him) and the spiritual change he brought about.</p>
<p>Christians of course may disagree just as Muslims would agree with the above statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.30-days.net/islam/howmuslims/howgod/comment-page-1/#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued...Response to Sandra&#039;s post.

&quot; His Will is His Will, all of the Books of the Bible are absolutely meant to be in the Bible, and they are truly His word. He loves us too much to ever confuse us into believing that the Bible is not His word, and then to make up an entirely new book called the Koran. This would never be.&quot;

By the very same logic aren&#039;t Jews justified in rejecting Jesus?  Why should they believe in the New Testament which abrogates teachings of the Old Testament i.e. the Mosaic Law?

And why do we find God making new covenants in the bible (Noah, Abraham, Issac, Moses etc).  Why is God trying to confuse us here?

In Islam we believe, earlier teachings of God were complete for those times according to the needs of the people.  Everyone can understand the apparent harshness of Mosaic Law (i.e. Eye for an eye etc.), but that was the required prescription to make people who were slaves stand up for their rights.

At the time of Jesus Christ (Peace be on him), Jews of his era had become corrupt.  Bible mentions they had made religion a business and there were money changers in the temple, who Jesus (Peace be on him) threw out.  Jesus had come to reform them and bring them closer to the spirit of their actions (including prayers and dealing with one another).  He did not put stress on the form but laid emphasis on the spirit, because it was the form without the spirit which was prevalent.  

Also, a time was coming when the human civilization would be more closely connected.  This would be the time when God would send a teaching addressing all nations and mankind as such.  If the stay of mankind on this earth is finite then there has to be one last code of guidance from God to fulfill the  needs of that time.  We believe Islam to be just that.  

In Islam there is no confusion about previous teachings why they differ in some respects.  Emphasis was put on the need of the time (i.e. the correct prescription was given according to the ailment ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued&#8230;Response to Sandra&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>&#8221; His Will is His Will, all of the Books of the Bible are absolutely meant to be in the Bible, and they are truly His word. He loves us too much to ever confuse us into believing that the Bible is not His word, and then to make up an entirely new book called the Koran. This would never be.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the very same logic aren&#8217;t Jews justified in rejecting Jesus?  Why should they believe in the New Testament which abrogates teachings of the Old Testament i.e. the Mosaic Law?</p>
<p>And why do we find God making new covenants in the bible (Noah, Abraham, Issac, Moses etc).  Why is God trying to confuse us here?</p>
<p>In Islam we believe, earlier teachings of God were complete for those times according to the needs of the people.  Everyone can understand the apparent harshness of Mosaic Law (i.e. Eye for an eye etc.), but that was the required prescription to make people who were slaves stand up for their rights.</p>
<p>At the time of Jesus Christ (Peace be on him), Jews of his era had become corrupt.  Bible mentions they had made religion a business and there were money changers in the temple, who Jesus (Peace be on him) threw out.  Jesus had come to reform them and bring them closer to the spirit of their actions (including prayers and dealing with one another).  He did not put stress on the form but laid emphasis on the spirit, because it was the form without the spirit which was prevalent.  </p>
<p>Also, a time was coming when the human civilization would be more closely connected.  This would be the time when God would send a teaching addressing all nations and mankind as such.  If the stay of mankind on this earth is finite then there has to be one last code of guidance from God to fulfill the  needs of that time.  We believe Islam to be just that.  </p>
<p>In Islam there is no confusion about previous teachings why they differ in some respects.  Emphasis was put on the need of the time (i.e. the correct prescription was given according to the ailment ).</p>
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